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I am starting a specific thread for this since it keeps coming up in other threads, the latest one being here:
http://www.tarotcollectors.com/view_topic.php?id=157&forum_id=5&jump_to=1176#p1176

So we can discuss playing cards, collecting them, auctions, sites with images etc. here and quit driving the tarot people nuts.

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I'm cross-referencing the thread on patience-sized playing cards here as well since much of the discussion mentions regular playing cards as well.

http://www.tarotcollectors.com/view_topic.php?id=119&forum_id=4

I've got my eye on a decorative deck called the Louis XV with lovely borders and people.
http://www.playingcardsales.co.uk/cards/moreimages/10130_8_louis_xv.jpg

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You know, if we're going to discuss playing cards (which I'm all for, but in the end it's Adam's call, as it's his sandbox), perhaps we can ask Adam to establish another sub-forum for it. Otherwise this could become a huge thread, making it difficult to follow simultaneous discussions about different decks.

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Maybe a sub forum under show and tell.Fortune telling and oracle cards could have a sub forum as well........

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tantricknite wrote:
Maybe a sub forum under show and tell.Fortune telling and oracle cards could have a sub forum as well........

If I understand the organization of the board correctly, Adam could create a new Category, called for instance, "Non Tarot" or something like that and could then populate it with any number of forums (e.g., Playing Cards, Fortune Telling and Oracle Cards, etc.).

That way, we could have our discussions and the Tarot-only folks could easily avoid the neighborhood altogether.

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Or he might not want discussion on these subjects at all.

I never thought, just let my enthusiasm go. No problem if he wants to delete the threads because theyare not tarot related.

I guess about 2/3 of my collection is non-tarot, so it's probably not pertinent to the board.

Yikes, guess I should have asked. Sorry Adam--put sandbox back the way it was if you prefer.

You're going to miss out on Le Jeu de Cartes des Croisades discussion though. Heart wrenching thought that.



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quid wrote: Or he might not want discussion on these subjects at all.I can't imagine Adam not wishing a discussion on card related topics like playing cards or oracles.The emphasis here besides collecting is the art as expressed through tarot.Fortune telling cards,oracles ect. are just a broader extension of this.I seem to remember reading somewhere here that Adam wanted this forum to be developed  from its members from the bottom up not a top down event...I think Ahclem suggestion about creating non-tarot catagories would work.   Mike

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Thanks for moving us...I'm relatively new to forums of any type, whereas I find myself easily sidetracked to follow wherever a thread leads.

Have you gone to this link at mxat.ru that displays all the Dussere decks as thumbnails on the one page which then link to the whole deck

http://alpha.mxat.ru/WWPCM/WWPCM/fran/dussere.htm

Where do you buy your French decks? Are they spendy?  I've never bought playing card decks per se, because until recently I thought all 54 card decks had the number cards as numbers only, and didn't sport pictures, too.  I found out different and I love beautiful pictures, which is why I buy tarot decks (almost exclusively the decks that have individual pictures on all 78 cards. I presently have 88 decks I've been collecting since 1978.   Anyway, at http://mxat.ru, the WWPCM site I was on the page of Lo Scarabeo (Italian publisher) and it turns out they have all manner of 54 card decks with pictures on all the cards. Like I mentioned previously, there's a gorgeous one of Medieval clothing and the British Royal deck includes all the British monarchs with their dates of rule on the card. It's a great way to learn history. And the Renaissance one is gorgeous, too. Here's the link to the page with the Lo Scarabeo cards:  http://mxat.ru/WWPCM/WWPCM/italy/scarabeo.htm

I'm rambling now...

Thanks for turning me on to Dussere.

Ms Max

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Yeah, I was looking at some of those scans today to cement my mind about a couple of decks.

I buy my playing cards from Somerville usually. He has most popular decks from the big firms as well as tarot and fortune telling decks. The shipping and packing is excellent. He usually has samples from each deck.

http://www.playingcardsales.co.uk/cards/

I have a couple of the Lo Scarabeo playing cards--Alice in Wonderland, Fables of Fontaine, and one they call the Goethe transformation deck which seems to be another reprint of the Jeanne d'Arc transformation deck from 1805 or so. They are good quality like their tarot cards.

Hey, if you like Dusserre maybe you'd like some transformation decks? Transformation decks are those where the pip symbols are turned into images. Somerville has the Under the Sea deck featured on the front page I believe. Not to confuse you.

I also have the Dusserre cards about Saints and the Chemin de Saint Jacques (in Spanish, the Camino--famous pilgrimage route.)

Today I have ordered playing cards with non-illustrated pips. There were a couple of these I found to be interesting and some of them are patience size so my Tudor Rose deck will have some friends.

The front number is the Somerville catalogue number. If you click on Search you can put the number in and the deck will come up. Some of these facsimile decks are similar to the old stencilled tarot decks, but with odd people that I liked.

10130 - Louis XV
10145 - French Revolution
10147 - Henri IV
12765 - Claude Weisbuch (One Potato--I eventually broke down and nabbed one!)
12449 - The Crusades
13797 - Berliner Slim Card - as wide as patience decks but taller with courts in the Berlin pattern which I don't have in any deck.

The Swedish firm of Offason has some patience decks and English pattern decks printed in 4 colours (green, blue, red, black) for £2 to £2.25 which is about half the price of the bigger companies. I don't know what the card stock is like though.

I had to resist as I don't even have the money for these.







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Well Ms. Max, you did it. I went to look at scans of Canadian cards at WWPCM and found a really interesting one published in 1972 and 1994: "Le Jeu de Cartes Québécois."

I can't find anywhere in Quebec online that might carry this or a used copy, but it's one I would be interested in buying--some nice historical figures pertinent to Quebec history on the face cards.

I did a small montage.


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I'm ticked, Quid, about your visiting and liking WWPCM.

So you're in Canada? Or England?
I went to playingcardsales and checked them out. They have images of
the various decks and quite generous in size but still only 6-8 images
of tarot decks of 78, still, not bad.

Nice montage, too. I like the cards, as well.

You'll find that WWPCM site really packed full of all kinds of cards from
all over the world.
It's russian based/hosted and the site has changed their server at least
3 times now since I've been using them. Thank God, it's now a lot
in English. The first two servers and website were mostly written in russian
which I don't know a word of.

It would be nice to contact the host of the museum. What a collector they
must be to have so many cards online and at their "museum", I image.

I will write you about your post from the one above today's where you listed
card names from Lo Scarabeo.

Adam's Forum here is so awesome as far as allowing full sized images and
such for viewing. A lot of other forums I've visited are much more restrictive.
It's great.

Till later,
Ms. Max    :D

p.s. (are you more into playing cards than tarot, per se?
Do you play patience? My grandparents and aunts and uncles who
all live in Switzerland, play that game and I remember the small deck
of cards you use. I also love Jasse cards with the bells and acrons and obers
and unders instead of jacks and queens. Do you play Jasse?)
http://www.altacarta.com/trade/swiss002.html


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I'm in Canada: The place where you can't buy an unusual playing card deck for love or money. That's why I order from Somerville.

I have a collection of 114 tarot decks, but recent ones haven't done much for me so I got interested in beefing up my playing card collection, and I always like to buy new transformation decks if they are published. My card collection is in this thread:
http://www.tarotcollectors.com/view_topic.php?id=54&forum_id=7

I haven't updated it because I can't get into that identity--lost the password.

I haven't played Tarock or any of the regional games with playing cards. I spend a lot of time alone so no one to play with. I play various kinds of Solitaire, including I guess what they call Patience over in Europe and the UK.

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Do you have the deck, Swedish Witch (Jolanda den Tredges), illustrated by Hans Arnold?

I saw the deck at taroteca and fell in love but found out it wasn't available anywhere, even eBay. So I did some detective work and found out that a company in Sweden by name of Fischer was selling the book that goes with the deck. I wrote and asked about the deck itself and got an email back saying this:

From: Kajsa Willén < kajsa@lindco.se>
Date: 14 Dec 2007 02:20
Subject: SV: Where might I purchase the Jolanda den Tredges, Swedish Witch Tarot deck, you publish?





We have not got the rights to sell this deck in the US. However, it will soon be made available in an English version made by AG Muller.

If you want more information regarding this, please email Rosie Bjorkman at [url=mailto:rosakraxa@hotmail.com]

rosakraxa@hotmail.com[/url]


 

Regards,

Fischer & Co
So now in addition to A.G. Mueller publishing Stella's Simple in all it's 78 card glory, in March 2008, they are also publishing the Swedish Witch.

If you don't have this deck you can view the cards at http://taroteca.multiply.com/photos/album/339/Swedish_Witch

So you have 118 decks, eh. That's a lot. I only have 90 but I'm catching up. Plus I do not have any playing card decks of any note. Frankly till meeting you, I didn't know there were nifty decks out there with pictures on them.  And you say Somerville (aka playingcardsales.co.uk sells Dussere with the Medieval and Reinaissance decks, eh?

Are they spendy? Well, never mind, I'll go look myself.

Thanks again for

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Actually, I just updated my list and find I have 261 decks in total. How did that happen? :D I had a whomping load of oracles and odd things too.

When I had five tarot decks I remember saying to people on a list that I couldn't figure out how people had these big collections.

Someone must have been laughing.

I'm not keen on the Swedish Witch but Stella's is a definite for me, and I'll probably have money by then.

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Quid, I was browsing Somerville's site (instead of working) and found these lovely I-Ching cards. They brought to mind the transformation cards you've mentioned; in this case it is the hexagrams that are integrated into the images. 

 http://www.playingcardsales.co.uk/cards/moreimages/11971_6_i_ching_holitzka.jpg

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Gorgeously minimal brushwork! Debra, can you post a link to the main page for these cards? I can never find anything on that site...

Pen 

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That Holitzka I Ching deck is truly wonderful. The scans don't begin to do it justice.

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Don't worry Debra - I found it at the link below - thanks ahlem...

http://www.usgamesinc.com/product.php?productid=528

 And a further search revealed some at Amazon UK, so I'm doubly happy.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=I-Ching+Holitzka+Deck&Go.x=9&Go.y=6 

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