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ISO: Erzsebet Tarot (Szerelmi jóskártyák)
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 Posted: Tue Jun 1st, 2010 05:16 pm
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This majors-only deck is by Schmidtne Dr. Hollo Erzsebet, the creator of the Magyar Tarot.

There's no individual page for it in Tarot Garden, but if you do a search for "Erzsebet" you'll find it. It's the third from the bottom on this search result page:
http://www.tarotgarden.com/database...t=&pageenter=59

I really, desperately want this deck! I've only seen it on eBay for more than I can afford, or sold out on Hungarian used-book Web sites. If anyone is willing to part with it I'll a) pay your asking price and b) be eternally grateful :)

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 Posted: Sat Jun 12th, 2010 06:46 pm
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Do you mean these?

http://www.tarotgarden.com/database/dbsearchengine.php?search_type=blob&pageenter=0

These are two different sets with different backs, the Erzsebet tarot is 22 cards with a red heart on the back and the Magyar Tarot is 54 cards with a witch and some symbolism on the back, I happen to own a set where both are incorporated, unused, still in shrink wrap, with the book in Hungarian describing various divination techniques. Please PM me with your offer if you're interested, we could probably swap as well.

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 Posted: Tue Jun 15th, 2010 05:00 pm
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The 22 card deck is the one I really, really crave. What sort of price were you thinking of? I know the 22 card deck is pretty costly when it shows up on eBay (hardly ever...), but not terribly expensive in Hungary. Unfortunately it's always out of stock on the Hungarian online bookstores that ship to the US!

If you're interested in a trade, my collection is listed in the "Member Collections" section:
http://www.tarotcollectors.com/view_topic.php?id=1522&forum_id=7

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 Posted: Tue Jun 15th, 2010 06:11 pm
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Here are the images from Tarot Garden:  http://www.tarotgarden.com/boutique/images/erzsebetcards.gif

http://www.tarotgarden.com/database/images/m-decks/magyarcards.gif

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 Posted: Wed Jun 16th, 2010 07:25 am
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Want to hear how I got mine?

I am fluent in Hungarian - family being from Transylvania - and after searching online for 2 months I found a woman in Budapest through a Hungarian "Craigslist" type website for used books sales who had the Erzsebet Tarot (and the book which came with it) for sale.

Her asking price was 9 Dollars in Hungarian Forint.

Cool.

So I thought.

After about 50 email exchanges, it was clear that :

a > this lady was not willing to accept a bank transfer payment (too dangerous, according to her)

b> refused to let me send her cash in an envelope (too risky)

c> even IF there was a way for me to pay her, she refused my request to ship the cards only (there was a book with it, which would have cost me 50 USD to get shipped due to weight).

I then offered her twice the amount if she just held on to the book and mailed the cards in a rigid envelope. Again, she refused, as she was "not allowed to sell the cards alone".

Having exhausted all reasonable offers, I resorted to my mom for help. She, although with obvious resistance, then contacted an old school mate of hers whom she graduated High School with in 1962 and now lives in Budapest. I believe that they have been barely in touch since 1968 but since she felt that these cards seemed to be of great interest to me, she looked her up and asked for this great favor, the first favor she had ever asked someone outside our immediate family.

My mom's friend then asked her nephew, who is a taxi driver in Budapest, to contact this woman (it took a lot of convincing as he was worried about the high cost of calling someone on a mobile phone). My mom had to call him several times to calm him down and told him not to worry - if the call indeed turned out to be expensive, she promised to cover the cost.

My mother's former class mate's nephew then agreed to meet with this woman someplace in Budapest (since he lives outside of the city, it was a 35km ride).

Finally having picked up the book and cards, he contacted my mother to report the successful transaction , but he also said that he felt uncomfortable mailing this himself, as he had never sent a package abroad before. Instead, he suggested that he will drop off the book and cards at his father's house (another 50km drive from Budapest), who was planning to drive to Romania the following day - and he felt that his father was comfortable using the post office in the town of Târgu Mureş (Romania), where the remaining living relatives and closest friends of my mothers (and mine) still live and where my mom partly resides (6 months of the year, the other 6 months in Germany).

It is still unclear to me why now these cards and the book had to travel an additional 600 kilometers east , but that's where the only trusted post office was located and then mailed from upon arrival (15 hr drive from Budapest because of the bad road conditions and lack of highways).

"Are they mailing them directly to me then?" I asked my mother.

"Not quite - my friend's nephew's father doesn't feel comfortable shipping anything outside of Europe, but I could convince him to mail them to Germany."

She paid her friend's nephew around 60 dollars for gas, and getting the heavy book shipped from Romania to Germany ended up costing 30 dollars.

In addition to this, please imagine my mother's nephew's family's confusion why acquiring these cards and book were of such great importance, and may have wondered what might be wrong with my mother all of the sudden? Having left Romania in 1973, my mother's private life had remained unknown to these people, up until the day when my mother decided to ask her old school mate "for a favor".

And as I type this, gossip of this odd transaction is now making the rounds in Târgu Mureş, where, of course, everybody knows my mom .

Now Imagine the urge of these people to tell the tale about my mom's great efforts to cover all expenses in regards to locating these cards (and the mysterious book) which my mother seemed to be in desperate need of!

Did I mention the title of the book? Translated from Hungarian, it says (In HUUUGE embossed letters):


"SCHOOL OF THE WITCHES - A Book for Women to be used in the comfort of the Home".

Last edited on Wed Jun 16th, 2010 07:59 am by lulukat

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 Posted: Wed Jun 16th, 2010 08:36 am
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wow, quite a story :cl

but 60 dollars for gas that's steep for that distance :?

I asked friends to search but no luck, ended up buying my copy on an auction site. Did you manage to connect with it? I couldn't.

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 Posted: Wed Jun 16th, 2010 09:37 am
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forkissima wrote:
wow, quite a story :cl

but 60 dollars for gas that's steep for that distance :?

I asked friends to search but no luck, ended up buying my copy on an auction site. Did you manage to connect with it? I couldn't.


Well, it was gas, phone calls, and this person spent 6 hours driving around i Budapest traffic (and missing out on work by chasing "witch books" instead of making money taking clients in his taxi). In that sense, $60 for gas is definitely okay ....

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 Posted: Wed Jun 16th, 2010 09:40 am
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forkissima wrote:
Did you manage to connect with it?


I can't really say if I could connect or not, since half of the cards are missing.

Hahaha!

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 Posted: Sat Jan 22nd, 2011 10:11 am
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Due to all the running around that Lulukat did in the background I managed to get a copy of this rather beautiful small tarot with its depiction of ethereal fairy like forms.
See my tarot weblog for some images

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/tarot/tarot_weblog.html

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