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 Posted: Sun Jan 31st, 2010 01:59 pm
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I've seen a lot of interesting work done regarding the construction of a publication timeline for the English Thoth editions, but never one for the other existing editions out there.

Here's a scan of a small (3"x2") German Thoth deck I picked up last year; each suit has a different colored border, although this isn't nearly as dramatic in the scan as it is in person.

This version may be quite common in Germany; unfortunately, it didn't come with a box.

 
ETA:  My scanning skills are completely nonexistent!

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The German edition I bought has the traditional back...and the borders are not like yours..how interesting.

thanks for the view :)

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Nicole - is your deck small like this one?

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the cards about 4 inches by 2 1/2 inches.

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That's pretty. I want one.....

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Very cool! :ro

Where did you find this deck?

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t.town.troy wrote: Very cool! :ro

Where did you find this deck?

Ebay, of course! :)

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PM me the seller's name...... Pretty please ?

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gregory wrote: PM me the seller's name...... Pretty please ?
Me too, pretty please with 9 cups on top!

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gregory wrote: PM me the seller's name...... Pretty please ?

I would if I had it! I don't track who I purchase stuff from. Although you might be able to find it if you sort through my feedback! :D

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O.K., is there a makers mark?  Like AGMuller or some similar company copyright?
That's a neat deck, a real mini thoth. (I like the backs also, and the German title are fit well somehow)

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t.town.troy wrote: O.K., is there a makers mark?  Like AGMuller or some similar company copyright?
That's a neat deck, a real mini thoth. (I like the backs also, and the German title are fit well somehow)


Nope, no makers mark anywhere on the cards. Deck came with an instruction leaflet in German; basically an 8.5x11 page folderd up. Title is: TAROT Beschreibung zu den Karten von Aleister Crowley.

That's why I wish we had a better understanding of the timeline of the German editions. Tarosophy International's December 2009 issue (lulu.com) is devotedentirely to the Crowley Tarot - lots of great stuff!!

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Thanks for the info Kimber. :cool:

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How long ago was this, she said, now in SPY mode ?

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gregory wrote: How long ago was this, she said, now in SPY mode ?

My database says June of 2009. :bl

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Oh. I suspect someone here.... you have PM.....

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Is it this one maybe?
http://www.amazon.de/Aleister-Crowley-Thoth-Tarot-Pocket/dp/3868265031/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232185408&sr=8-10
I guess this link is for the Urania-Verlag edition, and as I understand it the backs are different than the USG and AGM versions.
I could be all wrong though.:?

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No - that one has normal borders, is only available in German, not as small as kimber's, and is very nice indeed (I have it !) but isn't it.

I wonder if lulukat knows ? with her German contacts ?

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t.town.troy wrote: Is it this one maybe?
http://www.amazon.de/Aleister-Crowley-Thoth-Tarot-Pocket/dp/3868265031/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232185408&sr=8-10
I guess this link is for the Urania-Verlag edition, and as I understand it the backs are different than the USG and AGM versions.
I could be all wrong though.:?


This is the most recent printing, the "gold", which is discussed in the 2009 special edition of Tarosophy International.

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Kimber wrote: t.town.troy wrote: Is it this one maybe?
http://www.amazon.de/Aleister-Crowley-Thoth-Tarot-Pocket/dp/3868265031/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232185408&sr=8-10
I guess this link is for the Urania-Verlag edition, and as I understand it the backs are different than the USG and AGM versions.
I could be all wrong though.:?


This is the most recent printing, the "gold", which is discussed in the 2009 special edition of Tarosophy International.

Kimber

And it is a bit faded in colour, IMHO - and not available in the large size. And I asked and they have NO plans to print in any language other than German.

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I remember having sold 2 of these on Ebay, there were flea market finds from Germany that my mom had sent me.
I remember one of the 2 buyers having been upset about the deck being so small and I may have not included the size of the cards, so I do remember this deck... LOL!
And I never saw them anywhere again, either.
But very cool looking decks indeed. If I'll find the photos I had taken of them, I'll post them here.

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Thanks everybody.  I appreciate your input that the link I posted is a new German edition; and knowing that it is not the same as Kimbers' deck.  It's good to know that there are more of these around, even if it means a little bit of a search (that might be part of the fun).  And I definitely would like to see more of these cards if at all possible.  The different backs and borders are intriguing to me and the colours themselves seem quite different from the Thoth that I have.

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t.town.troy wrote: Thanks everybody.  I appreciate your input that the link I posted is a new German edition; and knowing that it is not the same as Kimbers' deck.  It's good to know that there are more of these around, even if it means a little bit of a search (that might be part of the fun).  And I definitely would like to see more of these cards if at all possible.  The different backs and borders are intriguing to me and the colours themselves seem quite different from the Thoth that I have.

Tell me which cards you'd like to see and I'll post some more scans this weekend. :D

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Kimber wrote:Tell me which cards you'd like to see and I'll post some more scans this weekend. :DPriestess, Hermit, 3 & 5 of Disks and Cups.  Well, to be honest, all of them; but those cards especially.  Thank you, this is a very nice of you to offer. :cool:

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t.town.troy wrote: Kimber wrote:Tell me which cards you'd like to see and I'll post some more scans this weekend. :DPriestess, Hermit, 3 & 5 of Disks and Cups.  Well, to be honest, all of them; but those cards especially.  Thank you, this is a very nice of you to offer. :cool:

Oops, didn't see this until just now! Will get them posted ASAP. :D

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Kimber wrote: t.town.troy wrote: Kimber wrote:Tell me which cards you'd like to see and I'll post some more scans this weekend. :DPriestess, Hermit, 3 & 5 of Disks and Cups.  Well, to be honest, all of them; but those cards especially.  Thank you, this is a very nice of you to offer. :cool:

Oops, didn't see this until just now! Will get them posted ASAP. :D


Here they are, finally!

 

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Next one

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3 of Cups

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5 of Cups

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This is driving me crazy because I can't figure out where these could have been published .... Arrrgh.
I'll keep looking though!

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They are most likely bootleg printings. The image on the back is atypical of anything officially released.

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RLG wrote:
They are most likely bootleg printings. The image on the back is atypical of anything officially released.


Why do I always end up with them bootlegs?
*sigh*

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lulukat wrote: RLG wrote:
They are most likely bootleg printings. The image on the back is atypical of anything officially released.


Why do I always end up with them bootlegs?
*sigh*

It is quite possible it's a bootleg, but I don't mind! It's unique and different. It  radically departs from the usual Thoth versions, but I do so love my little Red Headed Step Children. :D

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lulukat wrote: RLG wrote:
They are most likely bootleg printings. The image on the back is atypical of anything officially released.


Why do I always end up with them bootlegs?
*sigh*

It is quite possible it's a bootleg, but I don't mind! It's unique and different. It  radically departs from the usual Thoth versions, but I do so love my little Red Headed Step Children. :D

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Kimber wrote: lulukat wrote: RLG wrote:
They are most likely bootleg printings. The image on the back is atypical of anything officially released.


Why do I always end up with them bootlegs?
*sigh*

It is quite possible it's a bootleg, but I don't mind! It's unique and different. It  radically departs from the usual Thoth versions, but I do so love my little Red Headed Step Children. :D
Ah, bootleg... a little harder to find, since they aren't official.  Oh, and those cards definitely show the colouring a bit different from the Thoth that I have (I know, it seems they all are different; "greenies", for example).
   Ha, I'll be you redheaded stepchildrens' godfather! :gi

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RLG wrote:
They are most likely bootleg printings. The image on the back is atypical of anything officially released.


FINALLY! I now have some more info on these and where they came from.
Stay tuned : )

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lulukat wrote:
FINALLY! I now have some more info on these and where they came from.
Stay tuned : )

:bl

You are SUCH a TEASE!!!!:ee

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Kimber wrote:

You are SUCH a TEASE!!!!:ee


Well I always do this for YOU!

Anyway - I have tracked down someone who has been able to tell me where these came from.

Supposedly these were promotional type items that were given out at Esoteric fairs in Germany about 10-15 years ago or so.
I am trying to find out more.

A small printing company made a limited batch of these, they never came in a box, only wrapped in cellophane.

Now how useless was this information? Ha!

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lulukat wrote: Kimber wrote:

You are SUCH a TEASE!!!!:ee


Well I always do this for YOU!

Anyway - I have tracked down someone who has been able to tell me where these came from.

Supposedly these were promotional type items that were given out at Esoteric fairs in Germany about 10-15 years ago or so.
I am trying to find out more.

A small printing company made a limited batch of these, they never came in a box, only wrapped in cellophane.

Now how useless was this information? Ha!

Actually, that's pretty interesting. :D  I'm glad I scoffed one up!

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Kimber wrote:

Actually, that's pretty interesting. :D  I'm glad I scoffed one up!


There are definitely not many around.....I think it's a sweet deck!

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More info ! Are you ready, Kimber?

I was able to track down the German company who had printed these about 10 -15 years ago.

They were sold at Renaissance fairs and various Esoteric fairs in Bavaria (not even nationwide) for a short period of time, and sitting in storage since.

A few hundred had been printed. No wonder that these never showed up anywhere!

I might be able to get some for you guys, I think they have some left.

Would anyone here be interested? If yes, let me know and I'll try to work my magic : )

PS: The symbol on the back has a meaning, too. But that's for later, gotta keep up the teasing. Hehe!

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lulukat wrote:

I might be able to get some for you guys, I think they have some left.

Would anyone here be interested? If yes, let me know and I'll try to work my magic : )


Sure, count me as interested! Work that lulukat magic!

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lulukat wrote: 
I might be able to get some for you guys, I think they have some left.

Would anyone here be interested? If yes, let me know and I'll try to work my magic : )

PS: The symbol on the back has a meaning, too. But that's for later, gotta keep up the teasing. Hehe!
Very much interested. Count me in.

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lulukat wrote: I might be able to get some for you guys, I think they have some left.

Would anyone here be interested? If yes, let me know and I'll try to work my magic : )

PS: The symbol on the back has a meaning, too. But that's for later, gotta keep up the teasing. Hehe!
Count me in also; for a deck and for info on that symbol.:cool:

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t.town.troy wrote:
lulukat wrote: I might be able to get some for you guys, I think they have some left.

Would anyone here be interested? If yes, let me know and I'll try to work my magic : )

PS: The symbol on the back has a meaning, too. But that's for later, gotta keep up the teasing. Hehe!
Count me in also; for a deck and for info on that symbol.:cool:


working on it : ):ok

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Yay!

So I worked it out and I'll be getting a batch of those decks next week.

They'll come to around 25 bucks a pop, first come first serve :ro

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Some info on the Symbol:

These decks were designed (or bootlegged) by 2 women who used to own a Pagan/Occult shop in Munich and did readings at Renaissance fairs like I told you guys in the earlier posts.

They were selling these decks there, gave readings etc etc.

The symbol on the card was the emblem for their store.

It's the sun, and a celtic triskele. Around the triskele, there are the letters K and C, which are the initials of the ladies, and the other horned little thing is a taurus, it's their birth sign.

Ta-ta! Now ya know!

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For the K & C I thought maybe "Karten Crowley":cl.

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