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 Posted: Wed Apr 29th, 2009 08:51 pm
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This will be interesting..

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This is like me hoping to be a ballerina

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Oh what the hell - I think I will; we have a HUGELY distant deadline I think ? (If not, no chance !)

I hope the other posts get over here....

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Yes Gregory the deadline is not until June of next year! For me that's almost too much time. Ha! What a foreign concept…having too much time for art.
I hope you saw this posted - a high res. template:  http://www.arnellart.com/museodeitarocchi/card-template.htm

I tested it on my computer and it opened in the correct size for the card (7 x 12 cm. - 2.76 inches x 4.72 inches) but as a 300 dpi jpeg.

A couple people have written to me in e-mail that they wished the cards were assigned to us specifically and while I think that would be ideal.. I imagine that they really want to offer the opportunity to be a part of this project to as many of us from all over the world as possible and that seems the fairest way of throwing out the largest net. Anyway it may end up being a fun tho rather challenging project...working within that template will be a bit tricky I think, at least for me it will. I'm still waiting for inspiration to come. But I like the idea of jumping in with everyone from all over and seeing what comes out of our cosmic swim.

Warmly,
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Adam says it is a pain moving posts (though he will try find time) - so why don't we all copy what we posted and repost it here - then delete from skad's thread ? I will when I get back home on Monday....

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Okay, following Gregory's suggestion I'm posting my bits here...not sure how to do this gracefully and hope it makes sense to put it all together like this...(and I'll add other's portions too, if that's cool, so the flow of the conversation works smoother):

Arnell wrote on Tue Apr 28th, 2009 09:23 am:
Since you're all so talented and creative I wonder if you would be interested in possibly participating in a collaborative deck that’s being put on by the Museo dei Tarocchi, over there in Italy? All the details just got posted to this page on their site and the deadline is not for a long while so we can really take our time with the art and theme. We can contribute up to 3 cards for possible inclusion into the 78 card deck. There is a framework on the webpage to download and use around your art and all the details are there...might be fun, I think I'll give it a shot. Anyone else game?
Deadline for this project: June 2010 with the publication of the deck - due out before May 2011.
http://www.museodeitarocchi.net/arca2009en.htm

Then Gregory soon wrote:
What - ORDINARY tarotistas ???

...er - would we get a free copy of the deck, she says craftily ???

And then Pen chimes in:
I'd love to if there's lots of time - off to have a look now - thanks Arnell...

Pen

edited to add: How challenging is that template....?


Arnell then replies:
I'll ask them. If we get in the deck do we get a complimentary copy...that's a good question!

Arnell Posts Next Day, Apr 29th, 9:55 am:
Dear Gregory and everyone,
Sorry it took me a while to get back to you on your question. They (at the Tarot Museum) are on a different time zone than me. Anyway, they said they would love to offer the artists who end up being in the deck a way of showing their appreciation but can't afford to mail out 78 decks for free (they are not like US Games, doing huge volumes at low production costs, the museum folks typically make 300 copies of their decks, most of which have hand crafted elements to them such as the box covers). What they can offer the artists in the deck is a wholesale price of 50% off, (not including shipping). That sounds very reasonable to me....especially considering their production process and all, so what do you think? I've spent some time with them and seen how hard they work and how much they put into everything they do, and was very moved by their dedication to their goals of sharing the Tarot and the art deck experience with as many Tarot artists, collectors and enthusiasts as possible. So anyway, I'm a big fan of what they're trying to do over there...really exceptional work, gorgeous museum and good hearted people...sorry don't mind me. I'm very taken with them, they’re good peeps. I think I'll do at least one card for the deck, but probably a Major and a Minor. I figure I have a better chance of the Minor getting in since most people will probably contribute a Major Arcana. Anyway I think it will be fun, an interesting meditation.

Yeah, I agree with ya Pen. That template/framework will be quite a challenge to work within. My mind is already trying to see things inside those two spaces and what card might come up for me in such an unusual format... (Like a mouse searching for cheese.)

Warmly,
Arnell

...Then Arnell found out it was kinda taboo to change the subject in a thread and so apologized to everyone and this was the last bit of actual info regarding the Museo Ark Deck Project she posted in that Collaborative Deck 2 Project Thread:

Arnell: Wed Apr 29th, 2009 12:56 pm

I created a new page with the Museo instructions on my site, and in it I added a new link to a 300 dpi jpeg that if you save it (right click), it will open up in to the correct card dimensions: 7 x 12 cm. (2.76 inches x 4.72 inches) 300 dpi.

This new page with all their instructions on my site: http://www.arnellart.com/museodeitarocchi/int-invite.htm
And the actual page with the high res template jpeg is here: http://www.arnellart.com/museodeitarocchi/card-template.htm


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Hope that's what you had in mind Gregory. If it lets me, I'll delete my posts in the other thread.
Thanks, arnell

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That was EXACTLY what I had in mind. Thank you.  I will go find mine. (ETA which include nothing worth copying over so I will just delete them.)

But I am suddenly a bit puzzled. Anyone can submit any card.

Is there not a risk of ending up with 297 versions of - say - the Wheel and one Ace cups and nothing else ?? What are they doing to avoid that ?

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gregory wrote: Is there not a risk of ending up with 297 versions of - say - the Wheel and one Ace cups and nothing else ?? What are they doing to avoid that ?


I would say they would be looking forward to multiple romances LOL

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Hi Gregory,
(ha! that was funny Nicole)

Well I know what you mean and I worry about that too, and I bet they get way more Majors then Minors (that's why I'm going to do one of each to better my chances.) In the end I imagine they'll get enough of the cards to make up a decent deck...or close enough to a full deck where they could I dunno…maybe ask a few of their favorite Tarot artists to fill in any remaining gaps in the deck. Not sure how all that works. They seem very trusting in the whole Tarot/synchronicity process. But like I said before they want to offer the chance to as many Tarotists in the world as possible and this seems the fairest way. And probably a good way to collect some cool Tarot art for the Museo…not to mention. When they were giving me the tour they had a story about practically every piece of art from the big & famous to the sweetest little handmade card. They really care about this stuff like we do, ya know what I mean? So that's why I'm such a big fan. Same reason I love Osvaldo so much...I connect with their passion and love of Tarot and art. And its refreshing when it doesn’t feel like its all about the money…sure you gotta make a living but that its not the most important part of the process by a long shot.
Anyway I don’t know if that was a helpful response. But I’m anxious to see how it turns out. And hope you'll let me see your card(s) if you decide to play...like maybe in an e-mail or something? 
Warmly,
arnell

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Reading through the submission details, I was surprised to find that original artworks must be sent. These are then considered 'donated to the museum'.  Apart from other considerations (ie. why are artists and writers so often expected to work for little or nothing?), how can digital artists send their original work?


 
In order to be included in this project, each participating artist must:
Send the original artwork, indicating which card was contributed for this project. Send the image also in JPG format (300 dpi). E-mail the JPG file to the [url=mailto:hermatena@libero.it%20%3Chermatena@libero.it%3E?subject=The Ark of the Tarot Deck Project]Museum of Tarot. [/url]Attach a description of their work and an explanation of the corresponding card in English. Maximum length of text: 600 characters (including spaces), set in Times New Roman, font 12 pt.

Each artist may submit up to 3 artworks.

The technical management of the project is entrusted to the Museum of the Tarot, which will select the 78 cards that will make up the final deck. All works received (including those to be excluded from publication) will be considered donated to the museum, and will become part of its permanent collection and may be included in Volume II of the Museum of Tarots. 



 

It all seems a bit one-sided to me.

Pen 

Edited to note that I posted at the same time as Arnell. Is it really so warm and fuzzy? Does no one (even a chosen 'Best in Comp') receive a free deck?     

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Pen wrote:

Reading through the submission details, I was surprised to find that original artworks must be sent. These are then considered 'donated to the museum'.  Apart from other considerations (ie. why are artists and writers so often expected to work for little or nothing?), how can digital artists send their original work?

It all seems a bit one-sided to me.

Pen   


 

Hi Pen,

Well, in the case of digital art, you would send a high resolution (300) dpi copy on quality paper...with their template of course being part of the card...

But, Pen if you feel that way, I mean if it bothers you on some level, then please don't give this project a second thought. If it doesn't speak to you...its not meant to be for you. No worries.  For me, I enjoy the creative process of making a card and meditating on what it means at that point in my life (yada yada). So I don't mind sharing the process in this way...what am I loosing from it? I love making art and they appreciate art and give it a good home in a Museum dedicated to Tarot, and maybe it will be in this published deck of Tarotists from all over. I guess its all how you look at it.
I guess its cuz I spent 4 days with them and feel like I really got to know them (they treated my husband and I so well), that I came to understand that they mean to share the Tarot experience with our Tarot tribe in creative ways.  Everything is not about compensation in the traditional sense. Its a different kind of exchange. And they do also publish solo artists (in decks) who do get compensated. This is not a big company taking advantage of artists, this is mainly 2 dedicated people who built and run this Museo and publishing house...I don't know when they sleep they have so many things going on at once...if you ever get a chance to meet them Pen I think you'll see what I mean. But if you're not feeling comfortable about contributing a card, I understand that too, as I've been taken advantage of by people who are all about the money many times (and I tend to be a bit wary of most) but they are very sincere and this to me is a different scenario...

PS: And they said any artist who ends up in the Ark deck can get the deck for 50% wholesale...if that makes any difference.
Warmly,
Arnell 
 

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My original art would be digital - so no great loss.

But as a matter of interest - do the artists retain copyright ?
If I wanted to use whatever I did if I do any, could I recycle it in my own deck, for instance ?

I am half hoping to get to the Museo myself this year.....

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Gregory wrote:

My original art would be digital - so no great loss.

But as a matter of interest - do the artists retain copyright ?
If I wanted to use whatever I did if I do any, could I recycle it in my own deck, for instance ?

I am half hoping to get to the Museo myself this year.....


Arnell:

Well I can confirm this with them if you want me too, but I suspect that as long as their deck is in production they would temporarily hold the copyright and when the deck is out of production and they are no longer printing/selling it, that the copyright would revert back to you the artist...so no you wouldn't want to put the art in any project you plan to actually publish before that time...whenever that will be.

I hope you can make it to the Museo this year Gregory. Please share your experience if you do go ok?

PS: I couldn't figure out how to actually delele my posts on Skad1's collab deck thread. Could someone PM me a 'how to delete for dummies' note? Thanks!
Warmly, arnell

 

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BUT - what about the ones they regard as gifts to the museum ? (since mine would likely not make it into the deck....)

And why am I harassing you; I should ask Maria... And I will !

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Arnell wrote: Pen wrote:

Reading through the submission details, I was surprised to find that original artworks must be sent. These are then considered 'donated to the museum'.  Apart from other considerations (ie. why are artists and writers so often expected to work for little or nothing?), how can digital artists send their original work?

It all seems a bit one-sided to me.

Pen   


 


 


 

Arnell wrote:

But, Pen if you feel that way, I mean if it bothers you on some level, then please don't give this project a second thought. If it doesn't speak to you...its not meant to be for you. No worries.  For me, I enjoy the creative process of making a card and meditating on what it means at that point in my life (yada yada). So I don't mind sharing the process in this way...what am I loosing from it? I love making art and they appreciate art and give it a good home in a Museum dedicated to Tarot, and maybe it will be in this published deck of Tarotists from all over. I guess its all how you look at it.



Arnell,

I love making tarot too, and if I published my own tarots simply for the money I'd spend rather less time painting the images (24 cards take about a year to create), and charge rather more for the finished decks. As it is I do everything except the card printing and making the boxes to keep cost to a minimum. 

It just seems to me that making donation of the original artwork a submission condition is a lot to ask of someone (whether a professional artist or otherwise) who may have spent hours, days or even weeks creating it. Quite different for the digital artists, who can make as many 'original' copies as they like.

 Arnell wrote:  


PS: And they said any artist who ends up in the Ark deck can get the deck for 50% wholesale...if that makes any difference.


That does make a difference; it's reasonable to assume that a decent proportion of sales would be to the contibutors to the deck, and it's not reasonable to charge them full price. I've seen so much of that. And these days the possibility of inclusion in something seemingly prestigious means little or nothing to me.

Arnell, are you part of organising/co-ordinating this project? It seems from your post that you're pretty deeply involved.  

Pen

   

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Well Gregory, I know but...they got to draw the line somewhere don't they? Otherwise you maybe have some cheapskate coloring a dot in the middle of their  so called card contribution and calling it Tarot symbolic 'art' so's they can get a deck for half off, right? I know you and I wouldn't ever do that, but someone would I betcha.

Thanks with the help with the delete question. Its late here so I'll check into that tomorrow when I get home. Goodnight, sweet dreams.

PS: Her name is Morena...not Maria. You were real close tho...
Warmly,
arnell


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Pen wrote:

Arnell,

I love making tarot too, and if I published my own tarots simply for the money I'd spend rather less time painting the images (24 cards take about a year to create), and charge rather more for the finished decks. As it is I do everything except the card printing and making the boxes to keep cost to a minimum.

It just seems to me that making donation of the original artwork a submission condition is a lot to ask of someone (whether a professional artist or otherwise) who may have spent hours, days or even weeks creating it. Quite different for the digital artists, who can make as many 'original' copies as they like.

Arnell responded:
I hear you Pen, I self published my first deck...didn't really make any money off that  alas, as I priced it too low for wholesale and resellers... And I currently make two different handmade deck sets which, if I calculate the hours spent making them...well I really don't want to do that cuz then I realize I'm doing it for peanuts. But I do enjoy the connections with other Tarotists and sharing the art…I’m sure you know what I mean…you’re a very warm and approachable artist, and your beautiful deck is very reasonably priced. What I mean to say is I understand the plight of the artist very well, and how hard it is to get paid for the actual value of our time and effort.  And sometimes we do what we do for the love of the art, when we should be more concerned about finances (!) Sometimes its not the wisest thing but I’d rather ere on the side of being too giving than not giving of myself enough, ya know?

Pen asked:

Arnell, are you part of organising/co-ordinating this project? It seems from your post that you're pretty deeply involved. 

Arnell:

No I’m not. Its just that since English is a second language and they’re so busy over there that I volunteered to help answer questions in English (as you may have noticed got posted on their Ark Tarot webpage) and I guess I'm doing a bit of that here in the thread  cuz well its an open discussion of sorts…and I brought up the Ark deck invitation here in the first place so… Its simply that I really believe in these folks so I feel compelled to support them in any way I can, like you do with your friends too, Pen I'm sure.... I don't get paid by them for anything I do, they have become my friends over the last few years of corresponding and visiting with them and I care about them and lend my support when I can. And they are wonderful to me….they are very dear. That's all. Nothing too weird or overly warm and fuzzy. I just happen to believe in what they're trying to do with the Museum and whatnot.
Okay I really should sleep as I'm rambling.
Take care Pen, no hard feelings okay? I love your deck and think you're a fabulous artist and I understand your concerns but in this case, I for one trust their good intentions.
Warmly,
arnell

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Arnell wrote: Well Gregory, I know but...they got to draw the line somewhere don't they? Otherwise you maybe have some cheapskate coloring a dot in the middle of their  so called card contribution and calling it Tarot symbolic 'art' so's they can get a deck for half off, right? I know you and I wouldn't ever do that, but someone would I betcha.

Thanks with the help with the delete question. Its late here so I'll check into that tomorrow when I get home. Goodnight, sweet dreams.

PS: Her name is Morena...not Maria. You were real close tho...
Warmly,
arnell



Oops.

But no - what I meant was that if the art goes to the museo as an exhibit - can we still recycle it in our own stuff ?

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Arnell wrote: Take care Pen, no hard feelings okay?

Of course not - I just wanted to get things straight...:cool:

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Gregory wrote:

 

My original art would be digital - so no great loss.

 

But as a matter of interest - do the artists retain copyright ?

If I wanted to use whatever I did if I do any, could I recycle it in my own deck, for instance ?

 

And another post Gregory adds:

  

BUT - what about the ones they regard as gifts to the museum ? (since mine would likely not make it into the deck....)

 

And then:

But no - what I meant was that if the art goes to the museo as an exhibit - can we still recycle it in our own stuff ?

 

Arnell writes:

Gregory,

Thanks for your patience. I asked Morena at the Museo your copyright questions and have gotten a response that in either case, whether they publish your/our art in the deck and/or have it on display/exhibit, in any case you the artist will retain the copyright at all times and can also use your artwork as you wish. That is very unusual for a publisher isn't it? I've never heard of that... cool!

 

In her words regarding this point Morena writes:

 

The beauty of this project is precisely in this, we are together! However (whatever happens), the artists have a copyright always, both before and after publication... when they want to publish their artworks. No problem. Then, all, really all artworks will be exhibited in the Museum and they will be in a permanent exhibition.

 
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Bless you ! I was just going to e-mail Morena, so now I won't....

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I have no problem with copyright...

But this deck is based on a stupid concept...
Like all these museum decks : da pranzo... da stamattina, da stassera o da collazione ...
I like not these italian museum decks... they are only italian (I am italian and I know)...

A real deck merits better than a bad "da pranzo".

This stupid concept... This stupid new age, This stupid love...

All the decks are made for who are clever and have not questions about it...

I like not to have a copyright...
I like not to.

I like not my art in the meedle of the poor things they have published...


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You know - I was just thinking how much I did NOT want to be confined by those frames - and by some of the conditions. Then again - my "art" isn't exactly art "

Good to see you, Palestrina !

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dear Gregory...
your english is good, mine is very bad... I love You...

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I love you too :tt Where HAVE you been ? You have been very much missed.

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Whatever...Palestrina. I don't even want to respond to your negative comments but these are my dear friends you are speaking ill of and I love that wonderful Tarocchi Museo so I feel compelled to say something. Everyone has their own opinion about art and even the merits of Tarot deck themes but that is all it is, a subjective opinion. So why ruin anyone else's fun by throwing dirt on this project and on the other decks by the Museo? I don't understand this? If I don't like a deck or an art project, I don't feel a need to broadcast this and possibly make others that enjoy it feel uncomfortable.  The artist of Tarocchi da Pranzo - Martino (that you mention you don't like and is stupid) died of cancer last month. He was a beautiful spirit, and I miss him. I think if you ever met him you would feel differently. I invite you to go to Museo dei Tarocchi sometime and maybe you will have a better understanding. I don't want to argue Palestrina, I just felt I should at least say this much. Take care.
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That is very sad, Arnell; I have the deck and it amuses me though it is completely unreadable - I assume both the food ones were his (no time to check just now !).....

But I did want to take part in the project, and the restrictions on it are - I suspect - going to make it impossible, and that is sad too. On the other hand I plan to visit the museo next month - that will not be sad AT ALL !

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Hi Gregory,

Yes Martino did both those decks - the pasta and the biscuit with the minimalistic symbols painted on with some sort of chocolate syrup or something. He was a very funny guy, a real sweetheart and best buddies with Morena so she's pretty heartbroken over the loss of him. When you go there, you may see the actual cards, or rather, the painted biscuits and pasta...cuz I remember last time they were displayed in tiny dishes on the way to the upstairs portion of the Museo. Seeing them in person made them much more 'tangible', I guess is the word I'm searching for... (If anyone is wondering what decks we are discussing you can see a few of the cards here:  http://www.arnellart.com/museodeitarocchi/msdk05.htm

If I may ask, what restrictions make it difficult to do the open deck project? Like, that doorway that we have to make our art behind? Yeah, I haven't figured out what I'm going to do, but it’s not due till next year so I'm not really thinking about it quite yet...

 

Anyway, that is fantastic news that you're going to visit there next month Gregory!! Would love to hear your feedback about it. (Oh! Please be sure to call ahead, as they are doing a lot of those esoteric tours this summer so the museum doors are not usually open when they're out and about.) That's so great that you're going, I'm jealous! But hope to visit again next Fall.
Warmly,
Arnell


 

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Call ahead ? I never even THOUGHT of that.... Must have words with SO, the driver person; thanks. I was relying on their published opening hours.....

Believe it or not - my issue is with the peace and unity bit !!!!! I figure there will be a way around the frame, though am wondering whether to kind of cheat (no I won't tell you how !)

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Hi Gregory,
Yeah, it says it somewhere to call ahead to make reservations if you're coming to visit. Or you can just e-mail them instead....but just so its set up and they'll be expecting you. Its usually just Morena and Ernesto running the place, so if they're out doing those esoteric tours... All their contact info is at the top of this page in case you need it: http://www.arnellart.com/museodeitarocchi/brochure.htm

Oh...hmmm the issue of peace and harmony, well it doesn't have to be that at all I wouldn't think? I mean, I guess that is Morena's hope for the future and all, but not everyone is so optimistic. I hope things turn out well but the way we're going, I kind of doubt that! So I would think its whatever you feel...but you could discuss it with her when you guys meet up right?
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It SAYS all about messages of peace and harmony and the New Atlantis.... If I had been considering 10 Swords.....

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Yeah it says that Gregory...but I would think its open to interpretation. Art is suppose to always be that at the very least, right? A good deck has shadow cards along with the brighter ones. Especially with cards like the 10 of Swords. Well it would be an interesting topic to bring up with them. I'd be curious to hear the response... :)

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hello arnell,

i would like to participate in this contest.

when i click the link for the size and image of the card. the page opens there are two cards with a frame border in side and they are divided by a frame in centre....is this size of single card or two cards are divided by a single frame line in between.

please do reply.


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Hi Namasteindia,
Good to hear from you and that you want to participate in this project. The template for this deck is (I think), suppose to appear as if you are looking through a doorway to the future so you would create your art behind that 'door frame' border. I hope that is what you were asking and that my answer makes sense....? Its an unusual but hopefully interesting concept for a deck project. Good luck with it!!
Warmly,
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so arnell the doorway should contain one single image say if i want to show a person standing there then he will be divided into two parts or one section of the doorway the person will be standing....i find it very confusing.

pls gudie

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As far as I know that is one way to do it but you could also have two images - there is nothing to say that you cannot....

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Dear Namasteindia,
My understanding of this project, (and I am currently trying to confirm this with the Museo folks just to be 100% certain), is that you would include that template with your own image. So if you were having a person represented in your art, yes, they would be divided in two since they are behind that door frame.
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???

I thought you had to submit your image with the frame kind of INCLUDED ?

Heck; I hope I get to visit and clarify all this in spades.....:kt

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???

I thought you had to submit your image with the frame kind of INCLUDED ?

Heck; I hope I get to visit and clarify all this in spades.....:kt

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its very confusing....i think they are two separate cards. the middle border separates them.

or as arnell said its a door now thats very confusing.....:?

pls. arnell confirm and let me know

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Yes Gregory, but what I meant to say...(sometimes its easier to talk in person so I can use my hands which are much better than expressing myself with mere words...heh heh) is that if you included the template of the door frame and the person was behind that template then they would probably be divided in half visually. Yes please share any more details you get about this project with us here after you visit the Museo. And please tell them I send a hearty hello too.
PS: I hope that makes better sense now Namasteindia...
Warmest wishes,
Arnell

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NAMASTEINDIA wrote: its very confusing....i think they are two separate cards. the middle border separates them.

or as arnell said its a door now thats very confusing.....:?

pls. arnell confirm and let me know

I think you can do it either way, so long as it fits.

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dear arnell and gegory

i will wait for your confirmed answer after you visit the museum people.
since i dont want to draw everything and then be told thats its not this way round.


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Stick with Arnell; I may not get there. But the instructions are pretty clear.

....prepare their card within the boundaries of that pattern, or work on another piece of paper, that has this attached diagram glued on it. The only constraint is not to work on or outside the exterior frame provided. Within the frame any artistic expression (on this theme) is possible and most welcomed.

 

As long as whatever you do is within the size of the outer  frame... (though it does suggest that you should work with the diagram glued on the paper, which makes it slightly less flexible...)

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Hello everyone!
Btw, since this pertains to an open deck invitation for anyone who cares to join in, do you think I should post this in a new thread in a different section of TCF so that more Tarot artists might find it? If so where do you suggest?

Anyway, I finished two cards for the Museo dei Tarocchi Ark Tarot collaborative deck (open for everyone to contribute up to 3 cards). You can see the details for participating in this project on their website or on this page (where I have included an extra high resolution card 'doorway' template file): http://www.arnellart.com/museodeitarocchi/int-invite.htm

So I thought maybe I should share my cards here in case anyone was curious as to what the images might look like with the required 'Doorway' template attached to the imagery. This first card is the Queen of Swords. (Yes that is my big head... I made it look large on purpose...not because I have a big Ego (ha!) but because she is an air sign and so is more 'head' than heart ;)

Anyway I found it to be easy enough to combine their template with my own imagery in Photoshop. I can explain how I did it to anyone who needs a few hints ;-) Oh and I include the short card description too. I must admit it was a bit of a challenge because it had to be so brief (required to be no more than 600 characters, including spaces, in Times New Roman, font 12 pt.) Space in their LWB is limited and I’m sure they’ll want to list all the artists, etc.

I have e-mailed each of these cards (as a 300 dpi jpegs) along with the card descriptions to the Museo at: Hermatena <hermatena@libero.it> And they confirmed receiving them. Then at some point I think we are suppose to mail a hard copy too or a burned copy on CD, but they said at this time they just want to get an idea of how many cards are done and which cards are still needed for the 78 card deck, so they would appreciate receiving the e-mail version (high quality jpeg or tif file) first. I asked them if at some point they might be able to share which cards have already been contributed, so that artists might focus on other cards still needed, (but I'm not sure if that goes against the rules of an 'open' deck)...I'll will post it here if I receive any such list.
*Morena, the curator at Museo dei Tarocchi asked me to mention that the deadline for submitting art for the Ark Tarot Open Deck project has been extended to November 30th, 2010. The publication of this deck is still scheduled for May of 2011.


Please share if you are participating in the Ark Tarot Deck. Thanks! Hope to share this experience with all you wonderful artists out there!
Warmly,
Arnell Ando

The Queen of Swords

The Queen stands poised against a bright blue sky. With gossamer wings, she is ready to take flight. On her staff sits perched Raven, who gives counsel on the dark realms. The staff is dipped in an ink well for she is an air sign and quite literary. She clutches a letter of importance. A dove flies towards the right (future) signaling a time of harmony on the horizon. Meanings: A woman who has experienced sorrow but has learned to see from a ‘bird’s eye view’. She has loved and lost, but this has allowed her to perceive more clearly. She's independent, clever and spirited.

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And here is my 2nd card for the Ark Tarot deck, the Ace of Cups:
Ciao xo,
Arnell

Ace of Cups
A lazy summer day invites gentle reflection. A hot cup of tea awaits with the delicate scent of rose petals enticing you to relax and contemplate life’s many simple pleasures and great loves. Meanings: Emotional fulfillment and happiness. Feeling rejuvenated and refreshed. A new love or a deepening of one’s emotional well being. A breakthrough in spiritual understanding.

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:ro:ok

That's interesting. I was wondering whether to do two images - one at the top and one at the bottom - if I ever get around to it at all.... I'm not sure if that is allowed?

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Hi Gregory,
Do you mean that the two images combine and relate to the same card? Yeah, if the two images together make up one card sure why not?  That's an interesting idea. Huh! I would like to see that actually...

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hello Arnell,

I really loved your work.:ok

The Ace of cups is really impressive.

Is it a painting. what medium is it??? oil, pencil or is it a photo???

I am planning to participate too. I did participate in the Honeycomb tarot contest.

 

 

 

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Arnell wrote: Hi Gregory,
Do you mean that the two images combine and relate to the same card? Yeah, if the two images together make up one card sure why not?  That's an interesting idea. Huh! I would like to see that actually...


Yes - that was what I meant..... The hope in every card side of it troubled me and that way around it was where I found hope that I might manage to....!

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