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Ash, I know where you are coming from with wanting to revisit the cards (been there myself and will no doubt be there again many more times) .... and I know you will do what is right for you and the deck. just shows when we think the journey is complete we find a path we hadn't explored, and it just entices us back in, showing us something else we hadn't realised. Great eh 
Just a wee request here though - don't discard 8 pentacles (or turn her to ashes) entirely.... she deserves to be on view somewhere even if she isn't in the finished product. I know, I know - I have a soft spot for her.  She was one of the first cards I came across of yours, and she gave me oodles of insight once I had jumped in there.
The 'new' King is terrific - nuff said! Oh what dignity but you know there is power there for sure. I remind myself water can be so many things, destructive being one of them.
Stay happy
Davina
eta... got my card images mixed a little there, for some reason had 9 of pents in mind not the 8. I do apologise for that, and am a little relieved though - the 9 I think is awesome :)
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Oh, wow; this change and the new King of Cups makes your deck absolutelly perfect! Not that the old King of Cups wasn't expressive or artistictic; but this one is more in tune with the rest of the deck.; it fits better as part of the whole. I hope you don't mind me being honest; but then I must say that too that except this one card, I wouldn't change a thing.
Congrat to the King of Cups!
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rylla wrote: Oh, wow; this change and the new King of Cups makes your deck absolutelly perfect! Not that the old King of Cups wasn't expressive or artistictic; but this one is more in tune with the rest of the deck.; it fits better as part of the whole. I hope you don't mind me being honest; but then I must say that too that except this one card, I wouldn't change a thing.
Congrat to the King of Cups!
rylla
 I don't mind you being honest if you don't mind me being demented.
A few things have become apparent to me as I work on completing this deck. I've come to realise that I do have to change a couple of things for various reasons.
Foremost is the fact that if I want to self-publish the full version, I would consider the impact that will have on Adam's Limited Edition Diary decks and I would not want the full deck to effect his sales in any way. Nor do I wish to wait on forever; for the last of the Limited Edition Majors only to be sold off before I take the next step.
So I have changed 3 cards in the Trumps in the full deck and am re-doing some of the old cards that was done when I was "not alright". They scare me a little now and I can certainly see that they are as disturbed as I was when I drew them.
One of the cards I re-did is The Charioteer. I'll keep the other 2 hidden though I know some of you may be disappointed with the choices I've made with this deck.
It is strange that I was wondering for the past 3 years how I was going to self-publish when I do not have the means to. Then, the Knights came to me one by one.
Dajjal I suspect is behind the force that put the call through from a local bank one day to my husband, asking if he was interested in an interest free loan. He said yes and went ahead to arrange for his contacts to see me regarding the printing of The Diary. Then he got his other friend who is a graphic artist to put together the format of the cards as I envisioned them.
Lytta sent me dream a few days after; I was lost in an abandonned asylum with some strangers. It was a scary dream because I remember the anxiety when I saw dried blood smeared all over the walls. I was desperate to get out and I did find a way out but noone would follow me. I woke up with a vision of me sitting alone in a carpark outside the asylum and I felt I that I had failed in my task because noone else who was trapped inside with me would listen when I tried to lead them out.
Reflecting on the dream, I heard Lytta laughing in my head yet again. I can almost hear him asking, "Do you understand?"... I think I do.. yet another piece of the puzzle was handed to me.
But the other 2 knights have not been silent either. They each have set their demands since and I will fullfill them as they have requested. It'll be done according to how the Jahanamians want their deck done; its out of my hands.
Let me show you The Charioteer who will lead the way towards the finish line. Adam's Limited Edition deck will have the original Majors of The Diary and they will be protected as such.
 I've been running with the wolves again, howling at the moon. I can't turn back coz I've got no brakes... Will somebody stop me before I crash? ......On second thought, I think I can really see the finish line now;and it is close enough to touch...
Ash
P.S: Davina... the time will come when I will ask a favor of you and I hope when the time comes, you will be there for me. It will not be something you cannot give... and in exchange, I will have my fairy godmother contact you will a gift from Jahanam.... 
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Ash, I know you said some might be disappointed with the changes. I don't think many will be in all honesty. I see it as a positive - it means we have the chance to see yet more of your amazing artistic talent
Personally I like this new chariot. I won't rabbit on in my usual way but will say I love how the wolves morph into being his lower legs. The indication of pure power and intensity is so apparent with that. Very primal.
It also goes without saying if I can do anything to help you know I will. And good luck with the next stages. It sounds like the Knights are going to be guiding you all the way.
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Some might (be unhappy), except for the fact that everything you do is so amazing that I don't see anyone being unhappy about it!... For those who want the original Major Arcana cards - it's still available - for those who have it (like me ) , I agree with shadowdancer, we are just going to see more of your amazing work... it's a bonus!
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it seems we are a little in tandem. I created a wheel of intent today and focussed sooo hard on sending out energies for my deck too :) I am a long way from completion which makes it even more important for me to maintain focus and belief. It is something I should have done before now, but I'm glad I did it. Ritualising an intent like this can make that bit of difference.
The power of thought can be more powerful than we give it credit. I guess it is only when we are under pressure and stress we really understand how powerful, and then forget that when things are going okay but we want them to be even better. (If that makes sense). Negative or stressful thoughts can really be sharp and intense, which should in a way remind us to also acknowledge that power in a more appropriate way when things are going well. Yet we often take that state for granted in a way. The power doesn't diminish at all, so it is a shame we do not give credance to it.
Just had a look at the previous image and the current one, and there has been a real sense of evolvement in capturing the essence of what this is traditionally associated with. The previous image was good, and did work well, yet this seems to be more direct in impact. Quite often read as a negative card (which I know does depend on position in spread, context etc) in the main I see this as a really positive card. All those tumbled images were in that persons head at one time, and it is clear to see it was all too much. Yet, they have somehow found a way to get them out of their head, and by doing so hopefully are taking steps to ease that pressure or intensity. They also feel backed into that corner and cannot even consider looking at the walls. Overload for sure. Strangely I found the words/text to be more frightening to acknowledge than the images. I guess it's because when you read them, they are not just images but become actual voices in your head. Voices can be far more dangerous to deal with or acknowledge. Yet, there is that shaft of light in front of them. If only they could look forwards and nowhere else.... That path might just be there for the taking.
I was a policewoman in my previous role. (long story made short here I promise!) I remember in my probation, as a very young and naive 19 year old attending a house with a colleague where the neighbours had telephoned out of concern. When we arrived the occupant was in a state, not dissimilar to this, with tiny writing on all the walls in her room. She had felt compelled to just write everything and anything she had in her head in an attempt to get rid of it, or to get it out of her head so she could return to a sense of sanity. She spoke of voices and felt she had to write down what she heard. Suffice to say it was a disturbing experience all round, and there were serious questions about her personal safety and state of mind. I remember my colleague had no patience or time for her plight, and I was too inexperienced and young to know what was happening. He was even less sympathetic when she told him she had qualified as a psychologist. Even having some insight just through being that bit older, I would still find it hard to know what to do to help her. I guess she had to find where her shaft of light was coming from and move into that......
What I like about this image is there are mixed scenes. it is not all bad or harrowing. Each scene tells its own story but I sense there are some good ones there. What a shame they are no longer in perspective, and are mixed in with some of the less supportive ones.
Lots there to ponder (as usual ) but these are initial thoughts again tumbling out. Great image Ash. And I am guessing a very personal one as well for you.
Ash, your post really moved me, and I sense this is part and parcel of where this image may have come from. There are many hands reaching out to you on this creation. Don't lose sight of that :) :)
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shadowdancer wrote: it seems we are a little in tandem. I created a wheel of intent today and focussed sooo hard on sending out energies for my deck too :) I am a long way from completion which makes it even more important for me to maintain focus and belief. It is something I should have done before now, but I'm glad I did it. Ritualising an intent like this can make that bit of difference.
The power of thought can be more powerful than we give it credit. I guess it is only when we are under pressure and stress we really understand how powerful, and then forget that when things are going okay but we want them to be even better. (If that makes sense). Negative or stressful thoughts can really be sharp and intense, which should in a way remind us to also acknowledge that power in a more appropriate way when things are going well. Yet we often take that state for granted in a way. The power doesn't diminish at all, so it is a shame we do not give credance to it.
Dearest Davina,
I am glad you did just that. The power of intention really does help to channel our efforts, imo, and I have found that my resolve is strenghtened each time I bring focus back to my intentions in what I would like to manifest. I think this venture is proof of it and I know that the same will apply with The Tarot of Innocence. The obstacles that stand in the way today may very well become battle scars you'll both will bear with great pride when your deck is finally completed 
shadowdancer wrote: Just had a look at the previous image and the current one, and there has been a real sense of evolvement in capturing the essence of what this is traditionally associated with. The previous image was good, and did work well, yet this seems to be more direct in impact. Quite often read as a negative card (which I know does depend on position in spread, context etc) in the main I see this as a really positive card. All those tumbled images were in that persons head at one time, and it is clear to see it was all too much. Yet, they have somehow found a way to get them out of their head, and by doing so hopefully are taking steps to ease that pressure or intensity. They also feel backed into that corner and cannot even consider looking at the walls. Overload for sure. Strangely I found the words/text to be more frightening to acknowledge than the images. I guess it's because when you read them, they are not just images but become actual voices in your head. Voices can be far more dangerous to deal with or acknowledge. Yet, there is that shaft of light in front of them. If only they could look forwards and nowhere else.... That path might just be there for the taking.
I was a policewoman in my previous role. (long story made short here I promise!) I remember in my probation, as a very young and naive 19 year old attending a house with a colleague where the neighbours had telephoned out of concern. When we arrived the occupant was in a state, not dissimilar to this, with tiny writing on all the walls in her room. She had felt compelled to just write everything and anything she had in her head in an attempt to get rid of it, or to get it out of her head so she could return to a sense of sanity. She spoke of voices and felt she had to write down what she heard. Suffice to say it was a disturbing experience all round, and there were serious questions about her personal safety and state of mind. I remember my colleague had no patience or time for her plight, and I was too inexperienced and young to know what was happening. He was even less sympathetic when she told him she had qualified as a psychologist. Even having some insight just through being that bit older, I would still find it hard to know what to do to help her. I guess she had to find where her shaft of light was coming from and move into that......
What I like about this image is there are mixed scenes. it is not all bad or harrowing. Each scene tells its own story but I sense there are some good ones there. What a shame they are no longer in perspective, and are mixed in with some of the less supportive ones.
Thank you so very much for sharing this experience, Davina... One thing that always bothered me was how we (people in general) feel repulsed by what makes us uncomfortable.
Oftentimes, it comes across as targeted at the person who is causing us discomfort when in reality... I do not think it is the case. Something my lecturer mentioned before in class one day was that, "... its important to tell your children that you're not upset with them. You're upset with what they have done."
It hit me then that the same rule could very well apply in various other situations. I wonder sometimes how people can meet someone and decide they dislike / hate/ resent the person in such a short period of time. As in.... what did they do to us and if the tresspass was something maliciously personal?.. and how about the line.. "please forgive me my tresspasses as I forgivet hose who tresspass against me..."
I've seen a friend witch-hunted in another forum and the mob mentality was a horrid thing to watch; especially coming from people who had no idea what the source of disagreement was all about.. they just wanted to have a piece of him anyway!!
Something I shared in my deviantart gallery (and I am guilty of NOT associating my work with tarot in that place  ) was this post. Someone there recognized my art from AT and wrote to me. In reply to her comment about the new 10 of Swords,
"...That last one didn't gel with the rest of the images; didn't go with the flow of the storyline too so I did a new image.
The new 10 Swords is quite similiar to the 9 Swords in terms of posture and position of the character. The difference is in where the event is taking place and I wanted the Sword suit to focus more on the mental plane (cognitive aspect).
No disrespect to RWS, I think its in a league of its own. I've always wanted a deck where the pips in all the suits would relate back to the numerical associations in the Majors suit. Although I draw on the RWS structure as a main point of reference, The Diary is very much a subjective and limited understanding of the tarot as a whole.
My Hermit is at the tallest tower that is perched on the highest peak in Jahanam. She is negotiating with herself; her reflection in the Mirror That Flatters Not shows she is not co-operating. There is an internal battle of wills going on with no aparent signs of either side conceding. The 9 Swords show what's going on inside the person's head.
The Wheel of Fortune in The Diary was changed to Imprisoned Instincts, thus the 10 Swords reflect what is going in the outer reality of the person. Those looking on at the person sees only the external but not the internal.
Its something I think about.. when we can't see what others see; does it mean we're blind or that they're strange? How do our actions effect the way we function in soceity; how we are perceived by others?
 This image resonates very much with my personal experience so it's very much how I relate to the 9 and 10 Sword cards..."
I really don't want to color The Diary with my interpretation of each card or the meanings I have assigned to them. Prefering to let the viewer find their own meaning in these images would make the deck less rigid to work with and I am glad you have done so with all the cards you have seen in this thread
shadowdancer wrote:
Lots there to ponder (as usual ) but these are initial thoughts again tumbling out. Great image Ash. And I am guessing a very personal one as well for you.
Ash, your post really moved me, and I sense this is part and parcel of where this image may have come from. There are many hands reaching out to you on this creation. Don't lose sight of that :) :)
Davina
I would like to thank you kindly, dearest friend, for your support. Yes, this card is one that is very personal to me and the catalyst for it, the person who took the photo wrote back and was quite stunned how it captured the essence of the feeling.. something the photo didn't portray. It gave me comfort knowing that someone found comfort in this picture () and sometimes, that is enough.
Ash
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Ok.. news from Jahanam...
 Several things happened yesterday. In the midst of drawing the 6 of Cups, I showed the half-finished image to my colleague (who had gamely provided a reference photo of herself). She liked the drawing and commented on how I even drew the lil' stud on her right nostril.
Last night, I drew an inferno at the bottom of the page. With buildings on fire; the more I drew... the "happier" I became with the way the picture was turning out. Total "emo" material, imho. Then, in the middle of the night, I had the worst nightmare ever. So bad that I woke up screaming, which has NEVER happened to me before.
Fast forward to today...
I went in the net this morning and saw :
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Explosion-hits-gas-facility-Puerto-Rico/ss/events/wl/102309prblast
I had an angry red pimple pop out on my face in the exact location where I had drawn the stud... Not the first time this has happened though. I still have the scar of a pimple that popped up right after I drew the 9 of Cups and finished it off with a "dot" right between her forehead. Note to self, MUST be careful not to add stuff on faces I am drawing anymore.
My colleague asked if I could draw bigger lady-mumps on her if really the images do manifest itself. I replied just as tartly that, "NO! Besides, it would grow on me, not on you and I don't want no more funny stuff growing on me anywhere else." She thought it was funny, I didn't.
Talking to someone at the studio where I work, this girl told me she had a nightmare last night.. NO WAY!!
Way... It was quite a bad dream and the gist of it was when she saw masks on the wall in a haunted house. I showed her some pictures I kept in my handphone for references. She freaked out. The masks were the same. What surprised me was her reaction.. She buried her face in a towel and shierked, "What's the matter with you? How did you get those pictures?"
 Coincidence, my friends, coincidence....
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I love the tactful reference of 'lady mumps'....lol made me smile.
now as to coincidence... I have stopped believing in that in some ways, particularly with strange things which have happened with our deck too. Yeah for sure once, maybe twice you can put it down to coincidence, but after that.... you have to wonder. I have lost count of the times myself and Steve have had that OMG moment. Nothing as profound as your experiences, but you still have your jaw drop in surprise. You will have more of this happen I'm sure.
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yeah.. those trippy experiences do make me wonder sometimes...
Ash art, eh? You guys make me laugh. Someone called Jahanam Ash World once and I thought that was funny too..
Edited to add: truelighth, I'm glad you spotted the hands. That is the message I wanted this card to convey. It's hard to see the positive when the negative seems to loom larger than life  ... not that there isn't anything good around us, just that we have a hard time seeing it when we're not looking.
I'm glad you guys pick up different vibes from the same image.  I'm hoping that The Diary will juice up the imagination, allowing us to explore our own psyche as we navigate its treacherous terrain  .
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It is officially finished... The Diary, I mean. Just need to look through the graphics layout and its off to the printer.. finally after 3 years!!!
I was having this really nice discussion with someone from a non-tarot forum. Its taken a twist somewhere and now we seem to speak in proses when we reply to each other's post. Its quite refreshing and I quite like the idea that non-readers pick up intuitively on the meaning of the cards just through the imagery alone... That is way cool!
So I posted the 6 of Cups there though they don't know its the 6 of Cups. That's a story-writing forum where you can write anything... anything!!!... even vulgarities!!! I'm having way too much fun with it...
The Finale... though I'm not supposed to show you guys but what the heck... let's celebrate. So said I to the nice lady (when I'm a writer wannabe in another place)...
 How morbid our conversation has become... Am I rubbing off on you, Lady ****? 
Speaking of remorse and a dreadful past, I wish to tell a story of a girl I just met. I drew her face for she insisted upon it.
It was the face of an angel but I also saw the devil in her eyes, I swear it! And all too soon, a tale of loss and regret rose to her ruby lips.
At times I think we dwell too much in the past; other times we drown in waves that have yet to come. If only we paid a little more heed to the precious present; we may yet save ourselves from the pains of tomorrow.
But who am I to say such things? I, too, am guilty of my own accusations.
The End
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Offical now eh... well a huge congratulations from me (and a lot of others I know )
Very nice with the 6 there. If she is looking at what has happened in the past, and perhaps decisions made I sense it isn't with regret at all.
3 years in the making. You must have such a range of emotions and elations flowing through right now. With some new ones to come when it eventually reaches all corners of the world it is destined to encounter.
I am so chuffed for you here
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I've read about this very powerful and emotional deck many times over a long period, and have watched the images being created and birthed. I am really estatic that the means and miracle have happened to allow this creation to be brought out into the physical world for all to enjoy and grow with!!
In all I have read though, is it somewhere mentioned the rough estimate of price for this deck once it is available for sale? Is there a companion book? How large are the cards? I am sorry if I missed all these particulars, I just have not seen them mentioned anywhere in any thread.
I most definitely will be purchasing this deck and would need to save a bit for it though! So any information I would be very thankful for.
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Oh my God i look away for 5min. (or so) and see what happens 
Ok counting money, enough to buy i hope.
because: I want, I need, I must have  (sounds mad-collector enough?)
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You don't have to be mad. It is stunning. I haven't had time to spend with it yet, but even on a quick trawl it is well worth every penny. The BOX is gorgeous too.
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...the stupid post is too slow of course...
I think I know something will cheer you up, truelighth...
