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 Posted: Fri Feb 8th, 2013 07:21 pm
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Hi Tarot Collectors! I wanted to pass this information on to you from my friend Giordano Berti :-) ~ Janet
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I write to offer you a very special Tarot deck: Sola-Busca Tarot, the first alchemical Tarot of the history and the first that have all 78 card full illustrated with allegories of alchemical and magical rituals. Some cards was copied by Arthur Edward Waite and Pamela Colman Smith for the Rider-Waite Tarot.

The 78 pictures of Sola-Busca Tarot describe, in the style of Renaissance alchemists, a personal search path, similar to a “training of interior refinement”.

This deck was realized in Italy in 1490 and in 1998 was re-printed in Germany by Wolfgang Mayer: it is the only version of the 78 cards faithful to the original, for colours and measures.

Mayer printed only 700 copies and added a card (front in german and back in english) where gave some explications about the deck. This special card have the handwritten signature of Mayer and a progressive number; for exemple 001 / 700, 002 / 700 etc.

After the death of the german printer, I bought some copies of the deck and I committed to an italian artisan a box handmade in form of book.

The price of the deck is 98 dollars USA + shipping cost. You must consider that is a limited edition whose value will increase.

I hope this offer will please you or to someone of your friends, enthusiastic for magical Tarots.

Thank you for your attention.

GIORDANO BERTI

For informations to buy this fantastic deck, write to: giordano.berti@gmail.com

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 Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2013 01:23 am
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Thank you Janet.

Wasn't a reprint planned after the Brera exhibition ?

EDIT : the Il Meneghello reprint is available now, but it's 22 cards only.

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An edition with reprint of all 78 cards of the Sola Busca is available on Indie Oracles (formerly known as Historical Retrospective)

http://indieoracles.com/2013/01/17/sola-busca-tarot/

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:f
Unfortunately the version of Indie Oracles is quite different from the original.
The size of the cards are half.
The colors are totally false from bad press.
:hp

Wolfgang Mayer version is the only completely faithful to the original, for colours and measures.
You can see You can see a comparison image attached to this mail.

Best regards

Giordano Berti

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Hello !

Thank you for those informations Eno and Giordano

Eno wrote: An edition with reprint of all 78 cards of the Sola Busca is available on Indie Oracles (formerly known as Historical Retrospective)

http://indieoracles.com/2013/01/17/sola-busca-tarot/
Maybe I'm a bit paranoid, but I'm quite suspicious about the copyright status of certain decks proposed by "indieoracles.com" so I've never bought any of their decks.

I'd love to get a genuine Thompson Leng deck, printed the old way. But I don't think it's out of copyright yet, or is it ?

Regarding their "Sola Busca", I wonder where the images came from, Mayer's edition ? some book ? It doesn't seem fair when compared to Mayers's or Il Meneghello's reproductions which are legal and had both to pay for that, and I don't think old enough photographic pictures exist - but maybe my views are biased by the French notion of the "droit d'auteur" which differs a bit from copyright (though it's not less complicated).

The Lismon is probably ok, since it's relatively easy to find a vintage Lismon and there's no doubt about its copyright status.

So are these "Sola Busca" and "Thompson Leng" different than any pirated decks ?

Bertrand

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Phew!

Looks like I ordered the right one then...

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 Posted: Mon Feb 18th, 2013 09:31 am
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Dear friends of Tarot collectors,
I answer the legitimate doubts of Bertrand, about Sola Busca Tarot realized by India Oracles.

When I saw for sale many of Sola-Busca Tarot printed in 1998 by Wolfgang Mayer, I phoned to Director of the Pinacoteca di Brera in Milan, dott.ssa Sandrina Bandera.

This is the answer I received:
Brera has acquired the deck (and the rights on it) in 2008.
So, Mayer version was printed in 1998 and is not within the rights of Brera.

The India Oracles was printed in 2012. At Brera nobody has ever heard about Sola Busca Tarot produced by Oracles.

Everyone can draw their own conclusions.

Giordano Berti
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I'm not an expert on these copyright-stuff, but I always thought, that first there is a copyright by the artist that expires after time (the Sola Busca artist should be dead long enough). Then there is copyright on photos that someone take from those cards, that also expires after a time (the British Museum took photos 1907, I would think copyright has expired).

I do not understand, why a Museum that bought cards should have a copyright on the art. They have the right to let someone take photos or not, they have a copyright on photos in their catalog, but I do not think they have copyright on the art of the cards.

So everyone who has photos of this deck from a time when Sola Busca family allowed to take photos, or everyone who uses the black and white photos from the British museum and colors them should be able to make a legal deck from them ?

Greetings
Eno

P.S. I have no problem with the colors of the Indie Oracle edition and I like their rounded corners. But they are to small and their cardstock has a "plastic-feeling" to it. So maybe the Mayer edition is better, but when I bought it there was no Mayer edition on the market and before I buy me a second deck I will wait a while and look wether there will be a new edition from the Brera Museum

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Eno wrote: I'm not an expert on these copyright-stuff, but I always thought, that first there is a copyright by the artist that expires after time (the Sola Busca artist should be dead long enough). Then there is copyright on photos that someone take from those cards, that also expires after a time (the British Museum took photos 1907, I would think copyright has expired).

I do not understand, why a Museum that bought cards should have a copyright on the art. They have the right to let someone take photos or not, they have a copyright on photos in their catalog, but I do not think they have copyright on the art of the cards.

So everyone who has photos of this deck from a time when Sola Busca family allowed to take photos, or everyone who uses the black and white photos from the British museum and colors them should be able to make a legal deck from them ?

Greetings
Eno

P.S. I have no problem with the colors of the Indie Oracle edition and I like their rounded corners. But they are to small and their cardstock has a "plastic-feeling" to it. So maybe the Mayer edition is better, but when I bought it there was no Mayer edition on the market and before I buy me a second deck I will wait a while and look wether there will be a new edition from the Brera Museum
Hello Eno,

I'm not an expert neither !
As I understand it from the French point of view (and again this issue is debated a lot) a picture taken from a modern artwork has its own copyright, not the artwork in itself. This is debated since a faithful reproduction is not an original work, so it doesn't really make sense even from our "droits d'auteur" legislation - the fact that it doesn't make sense wouldn't stop the museums to send you their lawyers ; fact is that making a decent photographic reproduction of an ancient work may be costly, that's why Museums may ask for a retribution under the pretext of "copyright" or "droits de reproduction", alas some Museums (in France notably) forget that they were funded by the people before being sold to big companies and ask crazy "droits de reproduction". I've heard that this may happen in Italy too, where the intelectual properties issues are perhaps completely different.
Technically speaking in France Museums don't have the right to forbid people to take pictures, although they make sure to prevent this to happen.


So everyone who has photos of this deck from a time when Sola Busca family allowed to take photos, or everyone who uses the black and white photos from the British museum and colors them should be able to make a legal deck from them ?if the legal owner of the rights on the photos gave authorization OR if his/hers "copyright" or "droit d'auteur" has expired : yes.
Theoretically, if you own reproductions of an old deck that is public domain, you can make and commercialize its reproduction (see what happen with books) even if there are some limits.

What bothered me with indieoracle is that some of the deck they offered simply looked like pirated versions of recent decks.

I remember that "historical retrospective" used to sell a pirated version of the Vandenborre, because selling a reproduction of a deck still in production or still under copyright is piracy - I send a message to Catherine Brown about that, and she acknowledged she thought the "Vandenborre" was a fac simile, so it would be legit to make a version of this deck based on the deck sold by U.S. Games and removed the deck instantly : to me this simply doesn't sound fair. With the same logic anybody could make scans of "tarot de Marseille Heritage" fac similes and sell them, which would severely hurt this small editor and destroy his business.

That being said I'm no lawyer and maybe on the legal perspective I'm totally wrong, but my concern is more on the moral perspective : if it's ok to copy a modern edition of a deck under the pretext that original pictures are public domain then it's a very bad and discouraging signal sent to small editors trying to produce quality fac similes.

There are also some nice and perfectly legit decks sold on indieoracles.com, but I'm not at ease with the blurry status of others.

Bertrand

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Sumada wrote: Phew!

Looks like I ordered the right one then...
I can't wait to receive mine too, I received the exhibition catalog today and although the pictures are really good, the majority is slightly smaller.

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Strange, but many people ask me if my offer on the Sola-Busca Tarot relates to a book or to the deck.
Others ask me if this bunch is the same bunch produced recently by Il Meneghello.

Probably my letter was not sufficiently clear.
Then let me explain.

I propose all 78 cards of the Sola-Busca Tarot: identical in quantity, sizes and colors, deck printed in Italy around 1490.

This Sola-Busca Tarot was printed in 700 copies numbered and signed by Wolfgang Mayer in 1998 and therefore is different from the one printed by Il Meneghello in early 2013.
The latter version, beautiful and accurate as all decks of the great milanese craftsman Osvaldo Menegazzi, contains only the 22 Trumps, or Arcana.

Mayer 1998 version is in a book-shaped box that an Italian craftsman built at my request.

I enclose a photo.

To have the deck (and his box) write to:
giordano.berti@gmail.com

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Important news for friends of Tarot Collectors Forum :hp

* THE MARCH 31 WILL EXPIRE THE OFFER
reserved for my friends (and friends of friends)
to purchase one or more copies of the Sola-Busca Tarot,
in the version produced by Wolfgang Mayer
(Germany 1998, only 700 copies numbered and signed):

* ALL 78 CARDS !
fully faithful to the original colors and sizes,

in a BEAUTIFUL HANDMADE BOX by an Italian craftsman.

After the March 31 the cost will increase :sd

For information:
giordano.berti@gmail.com

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The images of the cards look really great. May I ask about the card stock - what is it like?

And is the surface matte, glossy, or semi-glossy? From the photos, it seems like it might be semi-glossy, or perhaps a pearl-like gloss, but I can't be sure.

What are the backs of the cards like?

Thanks for any replies.

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Information about the paper used by Wolfgang Mayer to print Sola-Busca cards.

The paper is slightly rough and opaque, about 0,5 mm thick.

The cards are not plasticized, although in photos may seem so.
This is because of the colors used by the printer.

The back of the cards is non-print, white milk.

The measures of the cards are exactly 150 x 82 mm (i.e. 5.9 x 3.2 inches).

The image inside of each card is the same of the original size:
approx. 78 x 146 mm (namely 5.74 x 3 inches)
but this measure is variable due to the artisan's manufacturing process in the 15th century.

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And they are absolutely gorgeous and worth every cent! I love my set- you can quickly tell the time and love that went into the production and the custom box is such a lovely bonus!

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Sounds very inviting! I'll decide before the sale ends!

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I love my deck! I agree with everything Penthasilia said :-)

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 Posted: Fri Mar 15th, 2013 08:51 am
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The sale dont stop in March 31...
...simply will increase the price of the deck in the box De Luxe
Giordano :ro

For further informations write to
giordano.berti@gmail.com

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I would like a deck please.

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Just wanted to post an update - I purchased this version from Giordano and the cards are gorgeous.

I was searching for a high quality printing of the Sola Busca but everything I saw on the internet had blown out whites in the background. I knew the originals were a better quality from the few museum photos I saw. Then I stumbled upon Mayer's deck thanks to this forum and Giordano. To the best I can tell, these cards do a great job of reproducing the originals. And the book is really neat too!

This deck is a pleasure to study, and it will help me connect to the tarot's roots. I'm sure I will enjoy it for years to come.

Thanks Giordano!

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For me it was a great luck to meet the Sola-Busca of Mayer and it is a great pleasure to share with other people.
Mr. Mayer did a really great job. :hp

With regard to the study of these cards, which began 27 years ago, I have not yet finished because every time that I look them I discover new ideas, new possible meanings.

In the late summer of 2013 I will publish a small study showing the relationships of some pictures of the sola-Busca with alchemical iconography.
I'll let you know when it is available. :ro

Giordano Berti


PS
I opened a web page dedicated to the Sola-Busca Tarot
http://solabuscatarot1998mayer.wordpress.com/history/

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Recently I purchased from an antique dealer two pages containing some cards of the Sola-Busca Tarot.

These pages are without doubt etchings dating to the early of 19th century, when ownership of the deck was the Busca-Serbelloni family in Milan.

I start immediately looking for news; I will put them here and in the blog Sola-Busca Tarot Mayer 1998
solabuscatarot1998mayer.wordpress.com

Meanwhile, If someone knows something about these images please write me

Giordano Berti

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Updated the page HISTORY OF SOLA-BUSCA TAROT with new information and images. http://solabuscatarot1998mayer.wordpress.com/history-of-sola-busca-tarot-2/

This history started from Count Leopoldo Cicognara, an italian art historian. In the begining of 19th century Cicognara studied the Sola-Busca Tarot in the private collection of Duchess Serbelloni-Busca in Milan and published his considerations in a book of memoirs.
He also made the copies of some cards, printed two great engravings (mm 460 x mm 320) and realized a portfolio dated 1831... totay very rare.
In August 2103 I was touched by the blind Goddess and bought the two ancient prints...
Wowwwww... I'm very happy for this!

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This is fascinating Giordano. Congratulations on your discovery!

Are these from the Memorie Spettanti alla Storia della Calcografia?

Thank you

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Hi Aganice,
thank you for your congratulations but I had only fortune
:-)
The two engravings I purchased are not from the "Memorie spettanti alla storia della calcografia" by Cicognara, but from an portfolio, or "atlante".
In his text the author explains the Tab. XII (not the XIII), but the "Memoirs" have no illustrations.
All the engravings was collected in a great portfolio (mm 460 x mm 320) printed apart from the little book (mm 200 x mm 137).
The portfolio have 18 engravings related different topic on history of the calcographic art.
My tables have the numbers XII and XIII.

Giordano Berti

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Fascinating. So, when you say that Cicognara "published his considerations in a book of memoirs" -- this means that the text was published without illustrations, and the engravings were collected in a separate portfolio? And you have found two of those engravings? This is quite remarkable!

I would love to read this text, which you refer to on your site as "Memoirs on the history of the art press." So this text is not the one I mentioned? Can you please tell me the title in Italian? Thank you. Much of Cicognara's work is available here. (I can read Italian though I don't always understand some of the usage. But often I can find translations as well.)

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Answer to the first question:
Yes, it is so.
Just few days ago another antique dealer propsed to me the book with the complete portfolio, but I have non money to buy it.

Regarding the second question:
1. the title of the book is, actually, "Memorie spettanti alla storia della calcografia" (Memories to serve the history of intaglio printing) published in Prato by Giachetti in 1831; so, the text I read is the same you mentioned.
My english translation in the blog was not correct... sorry.

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Oh the temptation! Gosh.

Thank you for the info, Giordano. I just ordered a reprint of the text.

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Ohhhh!
Will be interesting for you to know the work of Cicognara. It speak also about the "revelations" of Court De Gebelin.

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I've just added the page VIDEO in the website SOLA BUSCA TAROT MAYER 1998. For the moment there is only one clip, but many surprises will come soon.
http://solabuscatarot1998mayer.wordpress.com/x-videos-x/

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Hallo :-)
I am writing to let you know that the Sola-Busca Tarot is available until the end of 2013 at current price.

I would remind you that this deck was created in Northern Italy in 1491 and is the only ancient Tarot deck that has been preserved in its entirety, i.e. with all 78 cards.

The Sola-Busca Tarot is also the first alchemical deck of history. In the beginning of the 20th century have inspired the Rider-Waite-Smith Tarot invented by the English occultist Arthur Edward Waite.

In 1998 the Sola-Busca deck was re-issued in Germany by Wolfgang Mayer in 700 copies, each one numbered and handsigned by Mayer.

The 78 cards of Sola-Busca reprinted by Wolfgang Mayer are absolutely faithful to the original, for color and size.

In addition to the deck and the warranty the box contains a LWB of 8 pages available in different languages: English, Italian, Spanish or Portuguese.

Now this deck is really a rarity and therefore its cost will increase over time, as I have already written in previous letters of presentation.

Currently the price is:
DELUXE (book shaped box): € 81 = $ 109.5
GOLDEN (sturdy cardboard gold): € 65 = $ 88

From January 10, 2014 the new cost would be:
DELUXE € 88.5 = $ 119.5
GOLDEN € 71.5 = $ 96.5

Take advantage now of this offer.

giordano.berti@gmail.com


ABOUT THIS DECK

http://solabuscatarot1998mayer.wordpress.com/about/
http://solabuscatarot1998mayer.wordpress.com/x-videos-x/


ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTOR
http://www.tarotpedia.com/wiki/Berti%2C_Giordano

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In my blog dedicated to the SOLA-BUSCA TAROT
I added an article: ALEXANDER THE GREAT AND ALCHEMY,
referred to some figures of the magnificent Renaissance deck:
Knight of Swords, Queen of Swords and Knight of Cups.

See the page:
http://solabuscatarot1998mayer.wordpress.com/sola-busca-alchemy/

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Because the rarity of the Sola-Busca Tarot Mayer's version
(limited edition of 700 copies printed in 1998 in Germany by Wolfgang Mayer)
the price of this very special deck increase year after year.

From January 2014 it is:
Deck in DELUXE box = € 88.5
Deck in the GOLDEN box = € 71.5

In March 2014 I propose a SPECIAL OFFER LIMITED TO ONLY 18 COPIES (eighteen) of the deck in Deluxe box :hp

THIS OFFER IS € 88 and including:
--> the Sola-Busca Tarot (with regular warranty card handsigned by Wolfgang Mayer in 1998) in Deluxe box.
--> the english edition of the handbook "Sola-Busca Tarot", wrote by Sofia Di Vincenzo and published in 1998 by US Games Systems. In this book (208 pages)Di Vincenzo explains the Symbolic interpretation of the 78 cards and their Esoteric uses.

To have other info write to:
giordano.berti@gmail.com
:hp

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giordanoberti wrote:
Because the rarity of the Sola-Busca Tarot Mayer's version
(limited edition of 700 copies printed in 1998 in Germany by Wolfgang Mayer)
the price of this very special deck increase year after year.

From January 2014 it is:
Deck in DELUXE box = € 88.5
Deck in the GOLDEN box = € 71.5

In March 2014 I propose a SPECIAL OFFER LIMITED TO ONLY 18 COPIES (eighteen) of the deck in Deluxe box :hp

THIS OFFER IS € 88 and including:
--> the Sola-Busca Tarot (with regular warranty card handsigned by Wolfgang Mayer in 1998) in Deluxe box.
--> the english edition of the handbook "Sola-Busca Tarot", wrote by Sofia Di Vincenzo and published in 1998 by US Games Systems. In this book (208 pages)Di Vincenzo explains the Symbolic interpretation of the 78 cards and their Esoteric uses.

To have other info write to:
giordano.berti@gmail.com
:hp

I just got my tarot deck today.  It is awesome !!!!  I am not an expert but the cards I have seen of the original deck, these cards are the same.  Just absolutely awesome to get one of the 700 re-produced decks.  And Giordano Berti is just a dream to work with
and buy from.  I bought the deluxe deck and it comes in a a very charming box that looks like a vintage book.  Just awesome to get this deck that is just like the original deck.  A true re-production as far as I can see.  Again, awesome.  A true treasure.


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 Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2014 06:21 pm
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gabnash
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Is the Sola Busca deck still available from you? What is the current price for one sent to the UK?

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 Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2014 07:37 am
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Hello,
I still have some Sola-Busca Tarot decks available, but the special offer deck+book ended in May, because few book I had.

The current price remains unchanged until the end of 2014:
Euros 88,5 for the deck in Deluxe box
Euros 71,5 for the same deck in Golden box
+ shipping cost depending from the address.

Every box contains the original warrant card handsigned by Wolfgang Mayer in 1998 + an 8 pages leaflet written by me.

If you like, you can pay through PayPal or Bank trasfer.

Please write me to have other info.

Thank you

Giordano Berti

giordano.berti@gmail.com

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