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 Posted: Fri Apr 15th, 2011 06:29 pm
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Hello everyone,

I know not everybody loves Marseille or related patterns, nor blockprinted tarots, nor trumps only sets, anyhow I thought it was time to show those prints of an engraved serie of trumps I finished a few days ago, the cards are small - about 6x9cm - and the pictures are even smaller - the frames are about (varying a bit from card to card) 6.3x3.5 cm. (cards in the Sun picture below are nearly real size). Those are linocuts - same technique than woodcut, except you use linoleum instead of wood, makes it easier for some details and trickier for other (just like wood, linoleum is made from renewable materials, so if you have concerns about sustainability don't be alarmed).

Hopefully some of you will find some interest in it - my loved one whose taste is undoubtful and a good friend tell me they're worth the work so I hope you'll share this opinion.

The backs are not designed hence not ready to be glued yet, each card is printed separately on a pre-cut heavy paper.

Main inspiration was taken from Vieville deck, hence the unusual names and ordering and mirrored S, with some liberty taken.
(© yours truly, that goes without saying)




All advices and opinions welcome, although the engraving part is done so it likely won't be modified, and any hints about the most traditional way of finishing the cards are welcome - currently I'm trying to finish them mimicking what they did in the old times, which involves soap and a smoothing stone, but again advices are welcome.
The backs - not designed nor printed yet - are to be glued on each card (using an ancient vegetal based recipe too - which dates back to the XVIth century at least - and even maye the egyptians, how funny !)

I find it a bit awkward to name a deck other than "Tarot", also this one won't be complete - only 21+1 trumps - so let's call it "Tarot de Bertrand" or "Tarot de Paris MMX".

In case you're wondering : no it won't be colored, as it would involve too much hand work for one part, but overall because I didn't find any ancient recipes for the colors. If anyone has clues about that too, then a stenciled version may appear, one day, in an hypothetical future but it would rather be for the next set of cards I'll make.

Please keep in mind that I don't pretend to be "at the origin of the tradtion", nor "to reveal the lost pattern", nor "to actualize the art of tarot", nor anything fancy (yet at times much selling), but only to work in the spirit of the ancient cardmakers as I understand it.

Bertrand

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Lovely deck! I like it, also that you have tried to be as authentic as possible.

Will you also sell copies of this deck? Or is it just a labor of love?

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 Posted: Fri Apr 15th, 2011 08:15 pm
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Bertrand - I like what i see, congratulations on what must have been a loubour of love, a passion and much much time & hard labour! but the result is something that is beatiful to my eyes :ok

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Thank you very much Mister la Luna and Truelight, I'm really glad you like it.
truelighthWill you also sell copies of this deck? Or is it just a labor of love?Definitely, I would love to sell it when it will be properly finished (designing and glueing the backs, checking that it would last when used and shuffled without staining the other cards or the fingers, and smoothing the old way) - to get some money for sure but also to see it travel the world, that would be awesome.

Bertrand

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Wonderful, wonderful!  Me, me, me I want one! 

You say "engraving"--how are the images made? Is there an original woodblock (you carved in wood and printed one?)


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!!! I forgot to mention : this is linocut - close to woodcut (same tools) but more adapted to my conditions of work for several reasons. Yes I carved and hand printed.

I'mgoing to edit the first post to make it clear, thanks Debra

Bertrand

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They look wonderful.  The designs are terrific--a nice variety of simple and complex.  I like the way you focus on the central iconographic element of each card.  And Death's head breaks the frame!  I like the titles, too.  These are very very good, really stunning, Bertrand, bravo!

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What debra said!

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They're brilliant Bernard. I love the timeless feel of them. And needless to say I'd love one too.

They make me want to get my old star-wheel etching press out again. One day perhaps.

Pen

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Bertrand -

Thank you for sharing! These are beautifully done cards, and, as has already been mentioned, quite authentic! Please let us know if this deck is going to be offered for sale. In fact - please add me to a list of "wanna be" purchasers! :)

Blessings,
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Hullo Bertrand.

These are fabulous!
You  have done an outstanding job!

I like the little square format of the images.

Maybe you'll consider doing a small portion of the edition with color, and leave the bulk of them in black & white?

Stencil would be difficult, as it sounds like you have done each card on a separate block, rather than ganging them together.
But of course there is a tradition of hand-coloring as well.

Winsor Newton still manufactures many colors from traditional pigments, in addition to the modern ones.
And their recipe for gouache has not changed very much in 200 years.

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Hello

a little advertising message to let you know there's now a website to present this deck, http://dutarot.free.fr/
plus it has got a name now : Triomphes de Paris - triumphs since it's a "major" only deck, "de Paris" since it's definitely not from Marseille.

There's a video where all the cards can be seen - at least as they appear in the prototype deck. The first decks for sale will get a burgundy back instead of the raw sienna seen in the video.

Bertrand

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I'd love a set -is it possible to order one on the website?

Pen

Edited to add that the link is working now...:D

Do we have to email to find out prices and order etc...?

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Hello Pen,

thanks a lot for your interest.
I have still some details to sort out, including box etc...
Also I'm considering the option of selling a limited number of the printed sheets, which may interest collectors and can make a cheaper possibility for those wishing to customize their decks. If any, only a limited amount of those sheets will be available.

I've got to check with the post office for the shipping costs to different locations... and still to decide a price, which is a difficult debate ! I have a large target range and still need to narrow it down (any advices in private are more than welcome)

I'll let you know ASAP anyway !

Bertrand

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:ok

I like them more and more each minute.


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Delightful. I'm interested too... :ro

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Hello

sorry I didn't finish everything yet but I put up a better website with more pictures, including the final cards with better pictures and size comparisons etc... :
http://tarot.saintguillain.com/ (or http://tarot.saintguillain.com/?setlang=en to directly go to the english version in case it isn't automagically set).

No price is indicated nor any way to order, but I believe the price will be around 60 euros+shipping to begin with - I'll eventually adjust if it doesn't prove to be a viable estimation. Hopefully I'll have a few copies available before the end of themonth of july and so will be the ordering infos, but I'll inform individually all those who
expressed an interest in this deck before making the buying option public.

Bertrand

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Bertrand wrote: Hello

sorry I didn't finish everything yet but I put up a better website with more pictures, including the final cards with better pictures and size comparisons etc... :
http://tarot.saintguillain.com/ (or http://tarot.saintguillain.com/?setlang=en to directly go to the english version in case it isn't automagically set).

No price is indicated nor any way to order, but I believe the price will be around 60 euros+shipping to begin with - I'll eventually adjust if it doesn't prove to be a viable estimation. Hopefully I'll have a few copies available before the end of themonth of july and so will be the ordering infos, but I'll inform individually all those who
expressed an interest in this deck before making the buying option public.

Bertrand

Good work :ok - and I'm still very much interested in ontaining your deck

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these are wonderful - you did a fantastic job!

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Wonderful! I'd definitely like one too.

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How marvelous!!

I'm definitely interested in buying a copy, too :).

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Once again, excellent job.
I am certainly interested in buying a copy.

What are my chances of convincing you to at least experiment with stencil color as an option?

As I mentioned earlier, Winsor Newton gouache is basically pigment bound with gum arabic.
It's a pretty traditional recipe, and likely very similar to what the cardmakers used.
Have a look at Jacque Maroger's "The Secret Formulas and Techniques of the Masters" if you'd like to choose historically accurate pigments/colors.
I believe Kaplan explains how a varnished paper proof-print was used as a stencil. (One for each color.)
You cut the openings right on the image, so you have a perfect reference.

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Thanks Onepotato,

Actually I did find the recipes for several colors, but some of them imply waiting several months to be ready ! Though they migt be replaced by modern colors that's right, now other technical problem would arise - how well would they stay on the cards ? would they mix or stay separate from the lines ink ? would this lead me to use an oil based ink for the lines ?
You're right, they used paper for the stencils, called "imprimures", these were thick oiled sheets of papers cut to shape, coloring of the cards was called "habillage" (dressing).
The whole process is actually well documented for the big lines, but then there are the small tunings and adjustements - just for the glue, overheating or underheating may lead a pile of printed sheets to waste (it happened to me !).

Then when the technical questions are a bit sorted, there is the question of what colors go where, which - to be realized seriously - would ask perhaps as much work as the design and carving of the molds.

So regarding the colors, I don't believe it will happen on this deck for the moment

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Here we go !

first six copies are ready, still 2 of them available at noon...
Triomphes de Paris :
numbered ...

and wrapped :

contact me if you're interested (number II to VI)!
Price for the first six copies is as announced before 60 euros.

Bertrand

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You have email....

And I have no money. Now I have even more none.... (I hope)

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PM sent earlier this morning and #3 reserved pour moi...! :ce

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four are reserved, two are left !
Thanks everyone, I will get in touch with you in the afternoon (Paris time)

Bertrand

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all six are reserved, a few more copies will probably be ready during the month of august !

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Well that was fast.
I should have stayed awake all night :)
Congratulations!

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Sorry Debra, next batch should be ready pretty soon if you're still interested !

Bertrand

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PMs & PayPal all done, :hp thanks so much Bertrand.

I'll post again when I have received my deck.

Cheers, Sumada

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Yes yes yes
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Sumada wrote:
PMs & PayPal all done, :hp thanks so much Bertrand.

I'll post again when I have received my deck.

Cheers, Sumada


Me too - thanks Bertrand... :ro

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Posted five today as the one concerned may already know through email.
I *really* whish you'll enjoy them, can't wait to know what you think.

Bertrand

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Can't wait!!!

Pen:ce

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Me too. I have no IIII (I think !)

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gregory wrote:
Me too. I have no IIII (I think !)That's the one you should receive - provided I didn't swap the decks which is quite unlikely, I took good care not to mess things up.

Bertrand

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Mine is n° V and at this very moment moving towards me :ok

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Rushing for work, but just had to show off Bertrand's Triomphes de Paris, which has just arrived :D

First impressions: utterly charming! really like that old numbering; cards smallish, but very pleasant to hold, on heavy unlaminated stock; a bit curvey perhaps though... (?)

But the intricate lino cut images are simply delightful. Great job Bertrand :ok and thank you very, very much!

Cheers,

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Goodness, how fast was that?! They look lovely...

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Hello

thank you Sumada :ce !
I didn't sleep last week, the night after I sent them, I hope the others will reach their destinations quickly.

Numbers I to V were sent the same day, and VI the day after, I'm amazed it reached the other side of the planet before it crossed the Channel !
It's also weird to see that number 1 arrived first despite the greatest distance.

Bertrand

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Mine has arrived!!! :ce

Lovely lovely lovely - thanks Bertrand!

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goldenweb wrote: Mine has arrived!!! :ce

Lovely lovely lovely - thanks Bertrand!

Pen

So did mine :ok
and extremely happy with it :ro

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Mine too - fantastic !!!! Thanks !

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Mine (# II) arrived yesterday, but I wasn't able to pick it up from the PO until this morning. They're delightful!

Thanks so much Bertrand.

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Just wanted to check if there are any left???

If I have this right, the first ones will have a red back?  how many of those are you planning on doing?

then the second printing will have a ochre back? how many of those will be done?

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I received my copy yesterday.

Thank you Bertrand for making this marvelous little deck!

The wrapper is excellent.
Your design is excellent.
Your engraving skill is very impressive.
I quite like your typography and layout.
And I quite like your laminated stock.

I thought it looked a bit small in the photos, but seeing it in person, it's a nice little jewel.

All in all, a very fine production!

Congrats, and thanks again.

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Hello and many thanks for those precious feedbacks !

skad1 wrote:
Just wanted to check if there are any left???the second batch is in the making, just came back from spain yesterday after a short (and deep) four days break.
If I have this right, the first ones will have a red back?  how many of those are you planning on doing?

then the second printing will have a ochre back? how many of those will be done?
Actually they will all have the red back, the ochre back doesn't work very well and it was tried on one of the prototypes. I'm quite happy with the red back.
Regarding the number, I don't know yet, but as I said to someone (can't remember who right now) the printing will be reduced because of how the cards are made, and I want to make more than one deck so this one will stop at some point.

If the molds can take the printings and if there is enough demand, there should be 50 of them decks, if there is even more demand, then maybe there will be around 100 of them, but at some point in the near future the price will be increased - I'll keep the same price for those six people who already reserved a deck, after that I will raise the price a bit, so the demand will certainly be reduced !


100 is a huge figure anyway, seeing how I can currently handle the manufacturing, it seems very hypothetical and I don't think I would reach it before the next ten to twenty months, but it may happen if I can give up on some other jobs.

Bertrand

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Bertrand -

I like that 100 figure, because it will allow me to get the time to get the funds together! :ok

Something tells me that increasing the price will not decrease the demand for this deck! :ce

Blessings,
Bonnie

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Could you please reserve a copy for me too? many thanks!

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