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 Posted: Sun Mar 21st, 2010 06:17 pm
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How much do you think that a mint deck of the Knapp Hall Tarot (US Games reprint) is really worth now?

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 Posted: Sun Mar 21st, 2010 06:25 pm
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Well, the old cliche' is: "It's worth what somebody will pay for it." :?

But if ebay auction history is an indicator--we're talking about the orange box, right? It has generally sold for roughly between $50 and $100, averaging in the low $70's.

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 Posted: Sun Mar 21st, 2010 11:59 pm
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I paid $20.00 for my copy (shrink-wrapped deck w/ booklet, box shopworn at the corners) in September 2009. I had been passing over more expensive copies, so I was happy to find this one. I think the deck should be reprinted. It has a lot of appeal. I especially like all the slapped on symbols "which are to be experienced rather than interpreted."

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 Posted: Thu Mar 25th, 2010 02:06 am
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I wish I would have bought one of these back when I mailed for a PRS catalog many moons ago.
  I had no idea they would go out of print.:sd 

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 Posted: Thu Mar 25th, 2010 06:26 pm
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Are you talking about an old original printing Knapp-Hall or a reprint?

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 Posted: Thu Mar 25th, 2010 06:41 pm
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Marcia959 wrote: Are you talking about an old original printing Knapp-Hall...
Now that would cost a pretty penny !


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 Posted: Thu Mar 25th, 2010 06:54 pm
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Really ? I have a 1981 copy published by the Philosophical Research Society...... Am I rich ?

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 Posted: Thu Mar 25th, 2010 07:04 pm
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gregory wrote: Really ? I have a 1981 copy published by the Philosophical Research Society...... Am I rich ?

Sorry. Don't book that Caribbean cruise !  I meant the original 1929 edition.
Even the second edition of 1934 issued by the PRS must be valuable.
Most of the copies one sees were those printed by US Games under license from the PRS.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 25th, 2010 09:51 pm
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Mine is allegedly printed BY the PRS, but I take your point....

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 Posted: Fri Mar 26th, 2010 02:26 am
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I hadn't heard about the 1934 version. I lucked into an old version with a 1929 copyright a year or so ago and assumed there was just the one original edition. Can you tell me what the differences between the 1929 and the 1934 are?

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 Posted: Fri Mar 26th, 2010 08:40 am
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As far as I know the deck was initially published in 1929 for the artist J. Augustus Knapp. He had worked with Manly Palmer Hall on a series of paintings for The Secret Teachings of All Ages: An Encyclopedic Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy, which was published in 1928. The tarot seems to have arisen during that collaboration. 

As a result of the response to Hall's big book he  formed the Philosophical Research Society in 1934. This then published the cards. Not having seen these, I am not sure if the PRS took over unsold stock of the first edition and reissued them, or reprinted copies for their edition.

Does anyone have copies of both of these editions to compare them ?

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 Posted: Fri Mar 26th, 2010 01:48 pm
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For comparison, here's the one I found. You probably cannot read the copyright notice on the box which says 1929. I'll try a closer scan of that. Of course, as we all know, the copyright date does not necessarily mean that was the year this particular copy was published!

The blue slipcase box has a linen texture and an oriental-looking painting on the back which I will upload separately.

Attachment: Knapp-1929-main-150.jpg (Downloaded 201 times)

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 Posted: Fri Mar 26th, 2010 02:00 pm
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Back of slipcase box and a booklet I found on ABE Books with a 1930 copyright. Don't miss the swastika border ornament on the cover of the booklet! Of course, in 1930 the swastika was still just an ancient mystical symbol and had not acquired its later horrendous associations.

Attachment: Knapp-1929-obverse-&pamphlet.jpg (Downloaded 196 times)

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Closeup of case. "Copyright 1929 BY J A KNAPP LOS ANGELES CALIF" At least, I think that's CALIF at the end there.

Attachment: Knapp-1929-box-closeup-150.jpg (Downloaded 198 times)

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 Posted: Fri Mar 26th, 2010 05:29 pm
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This past January, Amazon listed the USG reprint for $11.70 as a new item that did not yet have an estimated delivery date. But then a month later they canceled it "due to a lack of availability from our suppliers."

I assumed USG was planning to reprint it but then perhaps they held off after they found a few old copies they hadn't yet auctioned off on eBay.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 26th, 2010 06:15 pm
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Amazon is ALWAYS doing that. W H Smith do it even more.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 26th, 2010 06:31 pm
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What I've seen at WH Smith and elsewhere are unpurged old listings that give the impression that the item is still in print and available. But this Amazon listing seemed like a new listing with a new price. I found it by sorting tarot titles by publication date--newest first.

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 Posted: Sat Mar 27th, 2010 01:31 am
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Can anyone make out what it says on the slipcase?  Right there in the sunburst?
Thanks for the photos.:cool:

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 Posted: Sat Mar 27th, 2010 01:46 am
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Yes.

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REVISED
NEW
TAROT
ART
CARDS
 

Last edited on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 01:46 am by debra

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Mine have the blue slipcase and a LWB booklet by Manley P. Hall. 

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 Posted: Sat Mar 27th, 2010 04:27 pm
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Marcia959 wrote: Mine have the blue slipcase and a LWB booklet by Manley P. Hall.
Does the slipcase have that same "Revised New Art" label Debra deciphered above? That's interesting. I hadn't noticed that before and it sure suggests an earlier version, does it not?

Then again, I believe Knapp was a commercial illustrator in his day job. Maybe they had already picked up the marketing trick of the "New Improved Forumula!" even on brand new products back then?

:gi

Probably not, but you never know!

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Of course I suppose "Revised New Art" might have been referring to a new design as opposed to those fuddy duddy cards from Waite & Smith which had been published 20 years earlier in 1910. And here we were in 1929, the modern world, with a new look! The cat's pajamas, he might have said.

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 Posted: Mon Mar 29th, 2010 09:01 pm
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bolaris wrote:

Then again, I believe Knapp was a commercial illustrator in his day job. Maybe they had already picked up the marketing trick of the "New Improved Forumula!" even on brand new products back then?

:gi

Probably not, but you never know!
I like that!

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 Posted: Mon Mar 29th, 2010 09:03 pm
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debra wrote: Yes.

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Thank you.  I wasn't sure about 'new' and 'art'; maybe time to get a new monitor.

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 Posted: Tue Mar 30th, 2010 01:23 am
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Counterintuitively--make the image smaller and it's easier to read.  (Put cursor on screen, press control and "-" for smaller, or "+" for larger)

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Hello everyone,
I've been searching literally the whole Internet to find the whole Knapp Hall Tarot deck (just images or scan). I will write a master degree paper soon about the Tarot symbolism and its cultutal aspects and reception, and I really need at least scans or images of this deck. Does anyone of you know where can i find it (good quality)? Or maybe anyone of you have some pictures of this and could share with me for my work?

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The images (legal !) on albideuter might do ?

http://www.albideuter.de/html/knapp-hall.html

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 Posted: Tue Apr 25th, 2017 06:30 pm
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Yes! They are perfect :) Thank you very much, I really started losing hope for finding this deck. Thank you!

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